John Say
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Sir John Say, Kt.
Knight
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 (died 12 April 1478) was an English
England
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 courtier, MP and Speaker of the House of Commons.

Life

He was the son of John Say, born before 1445, and his wife Maud. Sir John owned land at Baas
Baas
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, Broxbourne
Broxbourne
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, Little Berkhamsted
Little Berkhamsted
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 and Sawbridgeworth
Sawbridgeworth
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, Hertfordshire
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, and Lawford
Lawford
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, Essex
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Sir John Say was King's Serjeant, Coroner of the Marshalsea
Marshalsea
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, Yeoman
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 of the Chamber and Crown, Keeper of Westminster Palace, Squire of the Body, Keeper of the Great Wardrobe, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
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, Privy Councillor, Under-Treasurer of England
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, Knight of the Shire for the Counties of Cambridge
Cambridgeshire
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 and Hertford
Hertfordshire
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, and Speaker of the House of Commons
Speaker of the British House of Commons
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 (1463–1465, 1467–1468}.

He was made Knight of the Bath in 1465.

Marriage

He married before 1449, Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Laurence or Lawrence Cheney (or Cheyne) (c. 1396 - 1461), High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire
High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire
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, and Elizabeth Cokayn or Cokayne, and the widow of Sir Frederick Tilney of Ashwellthorpe. She died on 2 September 1473, aged 51, predeceasing her husband by five years. Say remarried Agnes, twice widowed daughter of John Danvers of Cothorpe.

Death

Sir John and Lady Elizabeth Say are buried together at Broxbourne
Broxbourne
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, Hertfordshire. They were survived by seven of their eight children (three sons and four daughters). Sir John Say was an ancestor of Jane Seymour
Jane Seymour
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, third wife of King Henry VIII
Henry VIII of England
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. He was succeeded by his son William, who also became an MP and Sheriff for Hertfordshire.
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