You make no sense buddy. ;)

Yeah! Based on Mt. Vesuvius AD79 destructive eruption. It's likely that volcano/es can causes this widespread extinction, particularly if It's a big One that create or re-create mountains and expand landmass., In comparisson, we don't know about Meteors creating mountains or expand the border of one's country.

The possibility is, a strong eruption of Volcano/es underwater could be more dangerous, and on some cases the tsunamis wrought about from that eruption could possibly flattened or burried mountain from tidal surge and recreate a new landscape..., and don't forget the ash falls.

You may not be so far away from the truth.

The 10th planet in our solar system, planet X, or as the Sumarians called it Nibiru, has an elliptical orbit, returning to the inner planets once every 3,600 years. In one of its orbits, about 15,000 years ago it came very close to Earth and resulted in the Southern ice cap being displaced. The ice slid into the surrounding seas and caused the Flood during which Noah famously saved the aminals of the Earth. So, Yes, a near miss can have the kind of effect you imagine.

We also know that Mars was affected by an earlier close encounter with Nibiru which stripped Mars of all of its atmosphere and water and left it as we know it now. We know this because Mars was being used as a way-station at the time to transport gold from Earth to Nibru and the records of these events are available to be read.

If you wish to know more about all of this, try searching for "The Lost Book of Enki" on the web. You could also look for "Slave Species of the Gods". These books will change your outlook on who we are, where we came from and why!

Good reading.

What killed the dinosaurs?
Many geologists and paleontologists now think that a large asteroid or comet impacting the Earth must have caused a global catastrophe that led to this extensive loss of life.

That's exactly what I said from the beginning!But in an easier way to understand.

I belive not.

That's the stupidest reason I've ever heard.

They changed as the time changes or more precisely we can say that as the atmosphere changes , atmosphere has a great result on the human or animal specie , clear example we can have here is the people of china .

Again,I say, it's not disease that wiped out the dinosaurs,IT WAS AN EXTREMELY HOT METEOR AND THE DINOSAURS COUDN'T TAKE IT!.THEN THEY DIED!!!!!

Born again Christians, as you might know if you had visited the creation museum, Christians domesticated these over sized lizards,my guess is that they just killed to many for there barbeques -------smile you know its funny!!

The Cretaceous extinction event 65 million years ago is recorded by a large crater off of the Yucatan Peninsula. This has been dated and is thought to have resulted from a meteor about six miles in diameter. In theory, it would have resulted in a dark, cold climate for a long time. The acids (sulfuric, for example) and oxides (carbon and sulfur)put into it would have reflected light and destroyed plants and animals with poisonous gases and dust.

Not only dinosaurs but many creatures died out during this time, including plankton types and some mammals. Why any advanced life forms survived is the question. I suspect that the ones which did were upland types living upon hills and mountains and those which lived underwater rather than upon it. Most sea-surface types probably died out, including the microscopic.

The Deccan Plateau also erupted into a lava trap and this is probably when it formed. The same kind of cause and effect could have happened during the Permian extinction event(250 million years ago), as well, which was even deadlier but for which no meteoric impact has been discovered. At this time, Siberia also was created by a lava trap event. By "lava trap", I think of Hawaii's volcanoes, one of which still erupts except that Siberia's would have been extensive and relentless.

Finally, I think a meteor would have hit Earth to cause the Permian event but that its crater either hasn't been discovered or it has been erased by continental drift- extensive since then. In fact, the Permian event indicates to me that not a meteor but a second, small moon existed around Earth which was torn apart by it, the Moon, and the Sun through the same tidal interaction which we see in the ocean. If the Cretaceous event was caused by the Yucatan impact and resulted in the Deccan trap, then couldn't the Permian event have been caused by an earlier impact which sent shock waves strong enough through Earth's mantle to then cause an upwelling of lava into Siberia?

This is what I see as a cause-effect explanation for both events and which occurred in sequence, although separated by 185 million years. This death moon, which I call "Thanatos" must have orbited Earth for a long time until it split apart, its final two pieces causing extensive lava outpourings and extinctions. If so, then the question becomes one of could it have resulted in even earlier impacts upon Earth- for example, the Cambrian radiation resulting in most "advanced" life (mollusks, arthropods, starfish, and fish, etc. 530 million years ago)?

Steve
Stephenmann35@yahoo.com

Steve,

Congratulations.

Your contribution is one of the best thought out I have read on this blog.

I agree that changes to the atmosphere would have been the most likely cause of death of many, many animals living at the time of these events. I have been studying the development of animal life on Earth for over 30 years now and previously put my thoughts as to the causes on this blog.

I also have a website which adds to my comments here. It can be found at http://freespace.virgin.net/edward.crooks/. This may provide some further food for thought even though it is over 10 years since I changed it.

Happy New Year to all who enjoy this blog!

edward.crooks@virgin.net

The one that killed all the dinosaurs before is a meteorite

Correct you man

Let's consider TIME in the discussion.If the extinctions happened in a year or less,a momentous occurence like a planetary strike w/winter should have provided bone beds in proliferation to prove that.If the time frame spanned 1 000 yrs,then environmental changes in that relatively short time span could have screwed up the food chain enough to doom the very large and the very populous smaller species.Again, bone beds should show that.Gradual polar,oceanic current changes,atmospheric gas ratios,or solar tricks could span 1 000 yrs
and make them tenable.Hmmmm ??

Well yes this is also what i have read, many of them think that

I know from just watching the history channel that the romans found the fossil of a dinosaur that had a hole in a part of the fossil that resembled a head so with there imagination came the one eyed cyclops. And finding a mammoth femur they assumed it came from a giant human. So that pretty much explains alot of the myths of the bible. Storys grow as they get passed down ,can you imagine how a story would change after 1000 years.
Cary

It all depends on the religon because if ur not religous than it was a metior and if u r it was god so its really weird

ONE species of dinosaurs was the ancestor of all of today's birds. That's how evolution works -- a branching bush.

Birds are descended from A species of theropod dinosaur. All the other theropods, raptors, sauroponds, etc. went extinct.

Great post, Steve. However, you need to add that dino populations were in decline for 10-15 million years BEFORE the meteor impact. Both numbers of individuals and numbers of species were declining.

This has led some paleontologists to look for other theories for the extinction of the dinos: disease (Bakker), volcanic eruptions (the Deccan plateau), other environmental changes, etc. The Deccan plateau took millions of years to form. IF those were operating, they had not completed the job of mass extinction before the meteor hit and that hit did cause a mass extinction.

It appears that only animals that lived in water (like some frogs and reptiles) or burrowed (like some mammals and a few species of birds at the time) survived.

The Thanatos theory you proposed has many holes in it. For one thing, another large moon orbiting earth would have changed the rotation period of the earth far more than it has been. Right now, the slowing of the rotation is accounted for by the moon.

No, there is a lot of junk in the solar system and pieces hit earth from time to time. Look at the comet that hit Jupiter just a few years ago. If that comet had hit earth, it would have caused a mass extinction.

There are many guesses and theorys about how the dinosaurs died, but if we know the real theory or not, what if history repeated itself?, we could be just like the dinosaurs, ruling the earth and then dying because of a huge diasaster.

There's one big difference between our world and that of the dinosaurs. Out of 180 replies nobody addressed the BIG question: How did they get so enormous? Jurassic Park is impossible because muscle mass vs strength has a weight limit.

Ted Holden's documentary televised in Japan in Feb, 2004 spelt out the problem. The strength of muscle tissue is fairly constant among all species. Strength is proportional to the cross section of the muscle: If muscle A is 2x the diameter of muscle B, muscle A will be four times (the square of two) as strong. BUT weight increases with the VOLUME: Muscle A weighs eight times (the cube of two) as much as muscle B.

Holden computed weight/strength ratio of a well-trained human weightlifter and scaled it up to the size of a dinosaur. The weightlifter soon became too big to lift his own weight. Strength, in its relationship with weight, imposes a limit on size. Holden's calculations indicate that the heaviest elephants of today approach the CURRENT limit.

Thus we have a quandry, what changed since the dinosaurs roamed the Earth? I say Gravity! It can be shown that gravity is purely dependent upon the electrical status of a planetary body. Gravity must have been 1/3rd the current value for dino to even stand up. The world has moved on from a previous situation, not only has gravity increased but so has day-length. This explains the Biblical 900/ 400 year old Patriachs - and references to giants.

So any catastrophe that rapidly changed our orbital status has taken care of 1) snuffing existing creatures under a massive (seabed) Tsunami of mud and water, 2) superheated the crust to bake that mud into rock, 3) slowed our spin rate, 4) raised our gravity. That's my suggestion, for many of our 'extinction events'.

"Ted Holden's documentary televised in Japan in Feb, 2004 spelt out the problem."

It's a paradox -- an APPARENT problem. But there are solutions to it that do not require changing the mass of the earth.
http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=2170

" It can be shown that gravity is purely dependent upon the electrical status of a planetary body."

Gravity is dependent on MASS, not electrical status. There is no unification of gravity with electromagnetism.

The Biblical ages and references to "giants" and "heroes" is a common motif for all religious writings of the time. You see it in Greek myths, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Egyptian writings, etc. People always lived longer in the past, were larger, stronger, more heroic, etc. All those cultures looked back to a "Golden Age". We can speculate on why they thought their present compared so poorly with how they envisioned the past, but it's myth, not history.

"..http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=2170
Not an impressive answer at all! They are fumbling around with minor details. If, as they admit, an animal can't run it's not going to survive.

"..Gravity is dependent on MASS, not electrical status. There is no unification of gravity with electromagnetism."

Actually Einstein's famous equation, E = mc2, demonstrated that mass and electromagnetic energy are directly related. The problem most scientists have is that the earlier concept that related MASS to 'quantity of matter' was unconsciously substituted.
The simple fact is that we have no concept of why matter
manifests with MASS. Glaringly obvious with the outrageously expensive/ futile search for the Higgs boson, as if some external agent gives rise to mass.

A better way to think of 'Mass is a measure of the ease of electrically deforming a particle'. You might agree that the energy stored within a particle is electromagnetic? So large particles are easier to deform and so appear more MASSive.

If mass is an electrical variable, big G cannot be constant. The only practical discussion of gravity that I have heard relates magnetism (H) and electric (E) stress (atoms distorted into dipoles) to distortion of the electron. In other words gravity relies on the fact that the electron has its own orbital structure. Thus radially oriented electrostatic dipoles are formed by most atoms inside the Earth with the inner pole positive and the outer pole negative. The Sun provides the positive charge, via the 'solar wind' ions.

Gravitationally induced dipoles set up an internal electric field -the planet acts like an 'electret'. Like a subatomic particle under the stress of an accelerator —the internal electrical stress sets the APPARENT MASS of the planet. Got it so far?

Newton says:The total orbital energy (E) of a planet in
orbit about the Sun is the sum of the planet's kinetic energy (KE) and its gravitational potential energy (PE). Thus r = m(-GM/2E), that is, r ∝ m for constant orbital energy (E). Our orbit is proportional to our mass = our electric situation. Low energy star means closer (faster) orbit and lower gravity effect.

"The Biblical ages and references to "giants" and "heroes" is a common motif for all religious writings of the time. "

Perhaps there was a common reason why everybody thought that way! The Golden Age is a physical possibility, but not in our current solar system. An earlier orbital configuration may have given rise to this universal 'myth'. Don't forget there are millions of petroglyphs around the world indicating a massive solar event a few thousand years ago. Even Stonehenge in UK bears the 56 Aubrey holes, commemorating a stupendous plasma discharge within our atmosphere.

Very impressive of JameDula's article, to you locaspa prove it that trinity really in your bible

A big medior killed the dinosaurs

That is not right and the dinosauars r not still living in this world but in your world it is i always never seen a t-rex so that is wrong have you ever seen one if not then go to google and ask if they are real about that and then they will give u the answe and then u will know if they are real or not so untill then just study about it and get it in your head

Do you want to get eaten?

I once heard a theory , that because they farted
all the time , and the gas which a fart exhibits
is a type of methane gas ( similiar to the one we use when we put petrol into our car)

The the dinosaurs , gassed themselfs to death

A meteoro shower

There have been five major extinction events during the history of Life on this planet. The one at the end of the Mesozoic wasn't the biggest. It was, however probably the most violent in terms of external causes. 65 million years ago, a fragment of the asteroid Baptistina the size of 10 kilometers (roughly the size of Mt. Everest) slammed into the Earth at a speed of 43,000 MPH in what is now the Yucutan Peninsula. This set off a hideously violent series of chain reactions: worldwide fires, massive tidal waves, the release into the atmosphere of combinations of deadly toxic gases, huge increases in surface temperatures (1500F)...just to name a few. The debate was only conclusively settled, and the impact theory accepted as fact, as recently as the 1990s with the discovery of the Chixilub crater in the Yucutan.

If anyone wants further details about evidence, please let me know! I love discussing paleontology, geology, and astronomy!

The reason why during the Jurassic Period dinosaurs (as well as all forms of life, including flora) grew to be so massive was that the planet's atmosphere contained massively higher levels of oxygen, much higher than present day levels.

I like your idea of the planet having changed its orbital status. Certainly such a thing has happened to several of our neighboring planets during our solar system's past. The changing face of the earth itself has also been a major factor in extinction events.

Just a general observation....why is it that Creationists and the religious in general always have to put in their two cents on these forums? Don't they have enough forums of their own? I come here to discuss SCIENCE. If I wanted to discuss mythology I'd go to the ancient history threads. Ugh.

If true, then the oxygen certainly helped maintain plentiful food supply. BUT it is still necessary to have a reduced gravity to allow the massive bodies to remain upright and not be weighed down by the shear weight of muscle.

The geological strata column is direct evidence of catastrophic events in the past. How else can we explain the sudden masses of fossilised creatures, baked (or frozen) to preserve detail in the heat-formed rock layers. Just go to the Mediterranean islands to find fresh shells encased in solidified sand = limestone; USA - dinosaur bones, UK South coast - shells in solidified mud; Germany for leaves preserved in superbaked, solified forest remains = coal....or 'fresh' mammoths in Siberia's frozen sea/lakebed mud flows.

Every axis shift is marked by damage layers, with matching magnetic field changes 'frozen' into the rock.

Oh I completely agree with you. I am an ardent champion of catastrophism! The geologic evidence simply cannot be refuted.

Now that I hear you talking more about it, I realize that I am familiar with the phenomenon of axis shift. It's a fascinating subject. Are you familiar with Hapgood's theory of earth crust displacement? If so, what is your opinion on it?

Your argument about muscle vs gravity is very intriguing. Why haven't we heard more about this from the paleontologists? Or is there literature out there that I'm just not aware of? I know to stay on top of all the new discoveries you really need to read the scientific journals. Books on science get outdated very fast these days.

Hi hanso do you wish dinosaurs were alive? i would not want them living now.

Human nature

There's a brilliant scientific statement for you lol.

The Flood :
the story of a Great Flood is found in many cultures, not only Hebrew.
I think it is the Folk Memory of the rise in waters at the end of an Ice Age.

Archaeology has shown that there used to be a freshwater lake deep down at the bottom of what is now the SALTY Black Sea, with settlements around it.
The suggestion is that as Ice-melt raised the level of the Mediterranean, it catastrophically broke through[by Istanbul] , quite quickly flooding the settlements.

Such an event in the Middle East would have left this Folk Memory !!
[ref. "Before the Flood" Ian Wilson, 2001]

You may be interested in this News of a Pliosaur
[as a related topic]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14061347

Enjoy !

An Asteroid 3 times the size of a football field, They have found the Evidence in the North of the South American Continent. if That Asteroid " Theory " is true it caused a Global Tsunami that the flying dinos only survived and just evolved into the present birds, They say that mammals Survive right? Yes. They survived, but today there are no still evidences that proves that the mammals survived in that asteroid impact.

It may be also the cause of the Great Flood In the Bible. And God Saved all of the Creatures but some just evolved!

Evidence is circumstantial;simply to refer to the geological investigations.The actual details are harder to elucidate.eg a direct blast wave acting would create an atmosphere which would cause asphyxia. The winds would increase in view of the planetary rotation changing.It is interesting that the search for very large dinosaurs like unto the USA type has failed;eg.a professor has been searching past 20 yrs on south coast uk down westerly way.In UK smaller,flying ones survived as found recent years at IsleOfWight site;see dinosaur museumsuk. Evolutionary properties are seen in birds so not everywhere did they die.

Another idea is that planetary orbits came about slowly due to gradual eccentricities developing close to the sun.The Earth and Mars moved out and Mars passed close by to effectively assist the stripping of the atmosphere. I have not heard of main astronomers arguing that the outermost 1oth planet was responsible in part or whole as yet frankly.All the same we may read more to understand more in the course of time.Only half the Earth is propoerly understood so far;the scientists tell us themselves.

The only God science is searching for is the GodParticle and that is not turning up at all.In fact it probably doesn t exist to let us deduce it ever DID exist strongly;as a first cause of quantum universe,Einsteins idea was against quantum being a first cause anyway. .
Additionally:-ONLY 30PERCENT OF ALL PEOPLE FROM RESEARCHED QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SUGGEST TO HIGH SCIENCE THAT PEOPLE FEEL THAT RELIGION AND SCIENCE CAN COEXIST WITHOUT UPSETTING EACH OTHER.ie from main lit to date subject to membership.

There was a documentary which defined an idea about a dragon-bird which is held by some scientists as a possible but unproven feature of Chinese ancient history. It is a theory about a type of giant eagle that warmed its eggs in the mountains by eating certain large shrubs which created very hot breath Also their plumage in fast flight would give the imprsion of fire from their mouths They would attack humansno doubt.ts still rather fictional but has some sort of collected evidence.These Amer scientists might be considered renegade by some UK standards though.
As for the French dinosaurs I am seqarching like yourself for some references.

I have thought to one side of the main views about dinosars with large teeth. Humans get teeth diseases very quickly;gingivitus for example Water/sea water is a cleansing agent If they were suddenly robbed of that by drought -taking a soft fall of the imaginary asteroids hitting earth over a short period,then they would certainly die a lot quicker. I think its too obvious that their days were doomed.//
As for mankind when it arrived they proved they could trap and kill very large animals eg the Mammoth
with stakes in the ground and fire ring etc. So it is dubious any creature is safe from man Our century proves this as well.

The big bang

I think that the dinosaurs died because an asteroid hit the earth,causing dust to rise up,blocking sunlight.That killed most plants.Following that,the herbiovores died,which in turn killed the carnivores.This is how the dinosaurs went extinct in my point of view

I just cant somehow;its a dead loss.

A theory of associated aggravation is possible;large meteorites hanging aqround in the NEO category didnt jst happen along.They could have remained in a near coincidental position with the solar disc slightly interrupted Astronomers are too keen on the eclipse and avoid the implication of inertial shadows Th eclipse gives rise to a more prnounced effect on the polar field of the Erath tahts all. It was a good thing they fell to Earth
leaving some to be found They have more recently;quick the scientists are to say(USA)that'' we dont know how long they have been there''.The onus is on the scientists to prove that what we assume is wrong not just expect us to soak up their attitudes like blotting paper.