I, Mickeba, was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama during the campaign. I was originally for Hilary Clinton, and wanted Obama as VP, as I felt Clinton was more seasoned and the country would benefit from 8 years of Clinton with Obama waiting in the wings. I still support Obama's overall vision for the country, or what I perceive the overall vision to be.

It is however harder and harder to support the President because I don't feel he's gone far enough, from a progressive standpoint. He's far too willing to try and compromise with the Republicans, who will not deal with him at all honestly.

I felt after the stimulus, when all Republican house members voted against it, that the President should have gone on television and informed the nation that the Republicans were playing politics with recovery, were not honest brokers and that his program would have been pursued, no compromise with Republicans forthcoming. At the height of the Bush Presidency, Democrats were very cooperative with Bush, Republicans should have given the same courtesy, it was obvious they weren't going to, so in my view, full steam ahead. And I think people would have understood and respected it.

Where I am struggling now is that it looks like the Republicans may win back the House and/or Senate and we will have gridlock. Obama had huge majorities in the congress to enact his plan and with all the compromises, didn't achieve all he could have. We could have had single payer health care, I'm sure of that.

I am really tired of Progressives who I feel give Obama a free pass, on things, simply because, "he's better than Bush", or "he's not Bush." We Progressives need to demand more out of Obama. I really feel the attitude at the White House, from Rahm Emanuel particularly, is that Progressives will go along with whatever Obama does because we have nowhere else to go politically. They know we won't vote for Republicretins like Romney or Palin. So they don't really do much to cater to the base and that is disappointing to me. The new Supreme Court nominee is the perfect example. I believe Elena Kagan is qualified and will be a fine justice, but Obama chose her to work the middle of the court. Be a compromiser. I wanted a pure liberal. The right wingers have conservative judges in Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy. Why do we have to compromise? Give us another liberal.

I will of course vote for Obama. He's done a good job mostly. I just feel that so much more could have been accomplished and we've really missed an opportunity to take America back, to a certain extent, to where we were, pre-Reagan.

Mickeba

Why did you waste so much time typing such crap?

Why is it crap? And why is expressing yourself a waste of time. I'd say you wasted more time by reading it and responding with only a short sentence.

You freely say what ever you want and I freely say what I want...you spent your time spouting your Obama love crap and I freely spout my disdain for the same...enjoy that freedom while you can because this man will take it all away, real soon...pick the side of the constitution and freedom or waste your time picking a 'party' side with these criminal politicians that are selling your ass down the river...freedom of speech...enjoy it while you can.

That's right. Say express what you want. I haven't seen any freedoms taken away. And none will be. The idea of freedom being taken away is just political talk, from politicians who profit from telling all of us that freedom will be taken away. The same politicians who had no issue with our former President wiretapping and reading email. And this man won't have a chance to take freedom away, because I'm sure he'll lose the congress in November, and the Republicans have shown they'll not work with him, so any plans he might have to take away our freedoms will just not happen. As for party's, they are pretty much the same. The only difference, and we're seeing it with the oil spill, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R) of Alaska. She's doing all she can to limit the damages BP will have to pay for the spill. Democrats at least to some degree will stand up for the rights of people vs. big business.

Why would you say it is crap I think It is very good of him all the things he has done and the first black america presidant Obama rules

Obama has done nothing for this country...he has done every thing for the corrupt banking elites...that is who he serves, not the people! Do the research and wake up!

The business bailouts were put in place in late 2008 by Henry Paulson and George Bush. Henry Paulson said it was so imperative to use the money immediately, and at his full discretion. He wanted legal authority to use all the funds with immunity. Anything he wanted. If he'd have gotten that authority, he could theoretically have said that the best use of the money would be to put it in his own bank account, and we'd have had no recourse. Now obviously he wouldn't have done that, but I'm sure that as the former head of Goldman Sachs, Paulson would have been very comfortable giving it away to all his cronies. It's ridiculous that they banks have been given all they've been given, but there is no way that any politician, Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative would allow the banking system to collapse. And realistically there is no way any of us would want them to. Do you really want every pension wiped out because we allowed banks to fail? We'd have a second great depression, and that's not what we need. But that's unfortunately that's the situation we're in. What we really need is public financing of elections so that in the future these huge corporations can't be so politically connected that we are on the hook for their problems. Take the money out of politics and you'll have politicians on both sides who work for the peoples real interest and not just for those who can write the biggest checks.

Don't get snotty with me

Oh no you don't...do not even think that you will remove Obama from this financial felonious act! He made a diversion from his presidential lie campaign to swoosh into DC to push the banker bailout coup! HE TOO IS ABSOLUTELY GUILTY! He has to get over the "it is all Bush's" fault crap! The banks that failed should have been allowed to totally crumble! They stole all the money and you and I are forced to pay for it!Not only that, but the criminals got paid unimaginable bonuses for their failures while the moms and pops got screwed!!! Who's side are you on? I am on the side of the free American people not the criminal banksters and corrupt politicians! Obama is robbing you blind...just like the administration before his! Do you not see it? Are you convinced that Obama will bring change? Wake up, Man!!! This is not about the left or the right, this is not about Republican or Democrat...this is about power and wealth! Period! Look at the criminal Socialist czars in Obama's administration...pure banker special interest elites!

Obama is a puppet and totally impeachable! If you wish to bow down to the feet of a man than you deserve the the slavery that will come from this socialist tyrant! You have been deceived!

Hold on! This plan was launched by Paulson and Bush. That is a fact. And Paulson wanted to spend it all. I am not on the side of bankers. It is tempting and on some level satisfying to think that Wells Fargo, Citibank, B of A, and the others can be allowed to fold, but you will be on the hook for that fold. The increase in taxes you'll pay to keep people afloat will be astronomical if you allowed them all to fail. They should be broken up so that their size is more manageable. As for bankers in Obama's administration, these people have been in EVERY administration since Reagan. One of his top advisors was Don Regan who headed up Merrill Lynch! These guys have been in power forever. What I see is that the money has corrupted the system. Look at the Supreme Court and what they've done by declaring corporations to have personhood. The corporations will flood the system with $$$$$$ on a scale you've never seen! And the politicians who want this cash will bow like never before. Take out the money and you eliminate a huge part of this problem. I thought before he took office that Obama would bring change. He was the ultimate outsider. A black man as President! Doesn't get more outside than that. But read my original post. He's not bringing change. I'm not a blind Obama lover who condones whatever he does. That was the substance of the original post. Re-read it. But I know damns sure that the alternatives are worse. Mitt Romney? He's the investor class candidate. Palin? She wasn't even smart enough to tell Katie Couric just the names of papers she reads. Whether or not she reads them. It has always been about wealth and power. This isn't new. There's a reason political fundraisers are 50,000 a shot to get in. Cos it's not about you or me. I hold Obama to the fire on issues. I contact the White House and people in the administration, and voice my concerns, and they don't like it cos I'm not a koolaid drinker. They are not socialists in Obama's administration. You say they support the wealthy banking interests, then how could they be socialist? If they were socialist, then the bonuses would never have been allowed, or at the very least, they'd have been taxed at 82%. Bankers are not now and never have been socialist. As far as his "presidential lie" campaign. He didn't lie. He's done all he said he would, or at least tried to.

No... I can not hold on to any of this! Geithner and Somers were big time culprits in this banking failure and have massive 'say so' in the Obama administration where 'finances' are concerned...the corporations need to be held accountable for the loss of 4.5 trillion dollars of 'the peoples' wealth and be transparent about the accounting of the boggled handling of this country's failed financial system! Where is the accountability? My father-in-law lost over 100,000 dollars in cash and the jack asses that screwed it up were paid millions in compensation for their mis-deeds!

Stop this crap about the president being a black man! I do not care the gender or the color of the person that holds the office of president...non of that matters...all that does matter is that that person up holds the duties of the office by protecting the rights and freedoms of the people and defending the constitution...Obama does neither!

I couldn't give a crap about what Katie Couric or Sarah Palin have to say about anything because that is corporate media hype...

Obama is an out right liar or the real people in charge got to him and tied the elitist puppet strings to his body. He has done nothing that he pledged to do and he should be removed from office right now! Today!He is a socialist and he has allied himself with socialist czars...bankers and money grabbers!

Socialist and communist always,and I mean always, find their roots in the wealth of their victims! Read history and you will see this to be the truth. When the government 'owns' industry the government owns you!

I'm sorry your dad lost money. The bonuses are ridiculous and should be stopped. But these guys are not socialists. They are capitalists big time, and in the case of these banks, it's capitalism run amok with no regulation to check them. Thieves? Definitely, but socialists, no. The industry owns the government, and don't think otherwise. Every tax policy is designed for the corporate interests to pay less and less every year, while people pay more and more. That's why election reform will never happen, though it should. If the corporations were taken out of the $$$$ control, an average person could run for office and have a shot. I ran in Washington State in 1996. I had only 400 bucks to spend. I bought fliers and went door to door. Corporate interests spent 300,000 to defeat me, and I was nobody. But I was a threat, so the money came out. That is the root of our political problem. As for Geithner and Summers, they are deep in it all. But they are the same people who will always be there, and HAVE always been there. They are like those losing baseball managers and football coaches who always get rehired, no matter how poorly their teams play. These guys are dialed in, and they've always been dialed in. The corruption in the political system is not new. The same interests have been represented for 100 years, only the faces have changed. For every Geithner or Summers, there is a Don Regan or Caspar Weinberger or John Connolly. I really believe Socialism is the LAST thing these people want. If we had Socialism, they wouldn't be wealthy, and the money is what they care about.

Sure the corporatist and capitalist have far too much influence in the political system and no, the capitalist do not want socialism but the whole thing has gone too far south for that argument as the federal government is now in the process of bailing/buying out the industrial arm of our country.Giving authority for a central bank to create fiat money removes the oversight necessary to regulate anything. The greed of the Federal Reserve over the past 95 years has plunged our great nation into a status of debt and a debt cycle that will require the whole system to cave in upon itself! It is inevitable! They want this. This small group of men devised a heinous plot to rob wealth from the American people based on the failure of the very system they devised 'to' fail...it was and has been built up for this very purpose.
This false left right paradigm is merely a ruse for the elitist to throw off the suspicion of the general public that the federal government is not actually doing something to serve the people when in actuality, this is all in an effort to further an agenda that has nothing to do with the rights and freedoms and sovereignty of American peoples! This is about power and domination!
Socialism is exactly what Obama wants. This is evident by his actions and none of his words/rhetoric. He says so much but always does the opposite.
The over reaching powers of the executive branch began prior to the Clinton administration and the current level of federal growth in this country places the federal government as the largest 'employer' in the nation...all the other industry has literally move out of the country! A nation that can not manufacture its own goods has to deliver its own sovereignty on a platter to the country that will do it for them! The past five administrations have sold our asses down the river with deliberate and cunning stealth!

Where has the Republic gone
We are on the road to tyranny!



"Don't interfere with anything in the constitution, that must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties..."
Abraham Lincoln.

President George W Bush commented...
"...the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper..."

President Obama quoted prior to his election...
"...the constitution is a fundamentally flawed document...with the same blind spots now as then..."


What does this teach us?

"Experience has shown that even under the best forms of government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny..."

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
Thomas Jefferson.

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpation's..."
James Madison.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism..."
George Washington.

There are those hard at work in our present time that will stop at nothing to pervert the fundamental elements of the constitution to alter our Republic into a socialist state where the elite rule and everyone else will again be mired in despotism of the worst kind ever experienced by any people in all history...

"Force is a vital principle and immediate parent of despotism..."
Thomas Jefferson.


James McAllister
For the Republic

Well thanks! I do too. I wish there were some things he'd have done differently, but he is a legitamitely good man, and we are better off with him in office than Mccain/Palin. Thanks for your support.

Mickeba

Go ahead and laugh, it will not be so funny once this man destroys all your personal freedoms and taxes you to death.

I get it James. You don't like him. Your hostility is noted.

mickeba

It is not hostility, it is pure disgust! He is a liar and a lover of the corrupt banker elite...he does not serve the people of this country and you will soon see that you and I he doesn't give a damn about...
You can worship this fool all you wish and I will shout it from the roof tops that he is both a fraud and a socialist!

James...

I am about freedoms in this country, and the fight against tyranny! If you wish to fall down at the feet of Obama and worship like he is a god, be my guest...that is a real good indication about what you are about...

I think you just don't like the way things have gone and you're unhappy, but your responses just come off as hostile and irrational. Banks are capitalist organizations. If this man were socialist, he wouldn't support banks and banks wouldn't support him. No matter how much you try to justify this, it rings false. He is a capitalist, and a corporatist. Not a socialist. As far as taking away freedoms, which ones? Thanks to this "evil socialist" you can now take firearms into national parks. Gun rights people are always screaming that he's against guns, but he's expanded the areas in which you can now carry guns. And if you think I worship Obama, read the original post again, cos it's pretty clear I'm not entirely happy with him and I don't worship him.

mickeba

It is Mickeba. My great grandfather, and grandfathers name. Definitely an out of the ordinary name. Hardly anyone has heard it, outside of Europe.

mickeba

Of course I am unhappy with how things have gone because Obama has made things much worse...and you may want to do a bit more research on the Obama administration and his stance on guns and his interpretation of the first four amendments...listen to what his appointees have to say...
Obama has filled his administration full of Goldman Sachs goonies and is real tight with the wall street gang...it is solid fact that Obama rules this country with out the consent of the people.Look at all the polls! He as gone so far as to alienate the very 'base' of American people that elected him by betraying them and doing a 180 on nearly all that said he would do.
He is a die hard socialist as he believes that the people really need the federal government to control every aspect of our lives because we are all too stupid to do it for ourselves.
I am not trying to justify anything for myself. I supported this man based on the fierce words he spoke to the American people about change and transparency that he would bring to the white house...
Obama not only lied to me but did exactly the opposite of what he pledged. He has followed the very agenda of Bush and pushed the darker bits of the prior administration in to even darker realms...different face, same old crap!
I have started a new stream about the banker criminals and the ties to the Obama administration...you should read that and follow the wealth of information about what your president is really doing...
James...

Thanks mate Than is king of you

Sorry Connor, but you are not making any sense to me...I serve no King as I am a free and sovereign man and bow down to no one!

Obama is a man and has not been truthful with the American people...will you follow a man as your King that does not tell you the truth or hides behind a veil of secrecy? If two or three lies are okay are not a hundred lies okay, too?

I will not follow a man that is not honest...Obamas administration is just as corrupt as the Bush administration...maybe more...time is telling on Obama and the truth about him is coming more and more to light.

Please open your eyes and you will see the truth about this corrupt federal government...

James...

I never said he was a king I am just saying even though he has done some bad things but he still has done some good stuff and i tottally agree he can be a little dishonest sometimes you now.


You have got to believe me on this one.

See you James

Obama os not a pupet and you have been deceived

We will just have to agree to disagree on that one, Connor.

James...

I will never agree to disagree, James.


So face it I have doe better than you

You have 'doe' better than me? You have done nothing but write a bunch of uneducated gibberish...get a life, man and start making some sense! You have done nothing here...not that I have read...good luck with all that!

Okay...I read all this and you all need to take a xanax and chill out.

it looks like socialism is getting its fifteen minutes of glory and fame so I suggest all those in favor make the most of it. Make hay while the weather's fine, as they say.
I understand the idea and the dream you are pursuing. The concept that one world governance can solve the problems of poverty. pollution, greed etc is a noble one. Your hearts are in the right place. I only ask that those who are in favor of this united world concept listen very carefully to their leaders' words. When they start calling what you are trying to do a 'moral imperative', they are steering you toward inquisition.

The liberal left is largely secular. This is seen as the educated, intelligent choice. It makes you naive and very vulnerable.

the Christians didn't see it coming and neither do you. You never expect the inquisition.

before you react to that, think about this...a very large part of the liberal wish list is saving the planet from further harm and reversing what harm has already been done, if possible. This cause has brought millions of people to the liberal ideology, people that would normally be considered conservative...people like soccer moms and church congregations....everyone is very concerned with the health of this planet.
even if we shut down the whole world right now, we cannot bring emissions into the goal range...this comes from Joel Rogers, one of the foremost minds in the environmental science field...if we shut the world down completely we could only reduce CO2 by 68%

because we are all breathing.

Think about this. I know that there are radical people out there who know exactly what I'm talking about...but I want the rest of you to think aoubt it.
What is the best way to solve the problems of the world?

Dawn

It is not Gibberish and it makes a lot of sence You.....


You have been decieved

He is the usa presidant not the English presidant so he can't tax us he can only tax the american and he can't take our personal freedom either.


You have been decieved.


Lol(laugh out loude)


See you james.


Connor.

Not really...

My eight year old niece knows what LOL means and I must ask you how young you are because a lot of what you write sounds a bit childish and immature. Hopefully I am wrong in this thinking and you are from Russia or Budapest and this is merely a language barrier. The thread here is about Obama's plan for America...in all reality, most all politicians, in general, are out of their minds and I personally believe that Obama has a plan alright but it does not include the American way of life. I also believe that he is a liar and holding the office illegally...that is my opinion. So why can we not just agree to disagree because my point totally escapes you and I don't really see you having one, one that really hits the subject matter anyway...

I believe that Obama's plan for this country is lead the people down a path that ends up in a North American Union. Just recently, like two days ago, Obama stood on American soil with the Mexican president and declared that "...we are not defined by our borders but by our bonds..." So President Obama does not realize the fact that it is his duty to "define" our borders and protect them from the invasion of illegal immigrants that come across the border and put a strain on the services that tax paying citizens have the sole right to!

Stay on the subject and try and convince me that Obama is good for this country...this mans plan for America is "Canamerico"...he is selling out our sovereignty and our country to a world leadership! He is not about the American way he is about something the total opposite. This man has an evil agenda and the sooner the American people wake up the more likely we will be to thwart his plans. But, time is running out and the unpatriotic hoard of self indulgent, sold out politicians, that follow him are rushing a mass volume of legislation through the House and Senate unencumbered! The constitution has been shredded and spit on and tyranny governs the presidents actions not patriotism!

You do not see what is at stake here and quite frankly I wonder that you are even American...what the hell do you know about American politics?

Interesting points. When I started this post I had no idea it would be so volatile. AS far as liberalism being more "educated or intelligent" vs. "conservatism", I don't think that's particularly true. Plenty of well educated people are heavily christian as well as secular. As for being naieve, that cuts both ways. Some in the christian community think god is just a day away and all things will just work out if you read your bible and pray, and why worry about the details of life. What is wrong with saving the world from harm? It's easy to say that we need to drill oil from every prospective spot in the world, but why do we need to take that approach? Why do we need to tear up the planet to get resources. It's interesting that so many of our connected and wealthy citizens, our former VP Dick Cheney is a great example, who buy up areas of natural splendor and use their connections to protect these lands from development, so that they can have it all. Develop the world for their own financial gain, and have a beautiful natural retreat for themselves to enjoy. I'm convinced that our scientists are intelligent enough and have the resources to develop an alternative that won't cause devastation such as we're seeing in the Gulf of Mexico. Global warming is a big controversy, but I say take a look around you. Back in the 1970's, I used to watch a lot of pro football, and I remember NY Giants games on television in late October/early November. There was snow on the field. It had to removed. Now, the same time of year, it's 75-80 degrees. Sunny and bright. That's one indicator that we have a warming issue. Now that's only one, and someone opposed to the idea could have a response. But it's interesting that the large majority of scientists on this subject agree that global warming is real. Many of the scientists opposed to the concept are employed by companies such as BP, or private organizations that benefit from doing business with BP, Chevron, Shell and all the rest. As far as scientific organizations go, the vast majority of respected organizations in the scientific field agree that global warming is real and must be addressed. I don't know where Joel Rogers stands, or who he is, but to say that because we are breathing is some sort of yardstick for how much CO2 can be reduced, seems particularly simplistic. Yes, a big liberal wish list is to save the planet, but a large part of the conservative wish list is to quiet the dissent and just go on with whatever we're doing and have whatever we wish to have. To each their own, but we have to think about the future of the planet. The best way to solve the problems of the world is for everyone to be honest and fair about what is happening. Sadly there are too many business and political interests that get a lot of mileage out of maintaining a status quo. They want us to be marginalized and squabble, but they don't want to find solutions. Solutions would mean that they give something up and clearly many of these people don't want to have to give. Socialism on the rise? Hardly. Our government has been corportatized for 30 years. Since Ronald Reagan. That was his dream. Reduce corporate taxes and shrink the government. It's no surprise that he was the first corporatist. He was the G.E. spokesman for years. That was his agenda, and now we have a tax structure that favors the corporates. But it's interesting that when the corporate interests run into trouble, it's the government they run to for support. The profits are private, but the risks are public. Corporate welfare is what is, and it's disgusting. The point of my original post was that some of us who voted for Obama expected an approach that would be more socially oriented. I've not gotten it to my satisfaction. Had I been advising Obama, when every Republican voted against the stimulus, I'd have said enough with Republicans. We'd have had debate on bills, but no compromises. I'd have done what needed to be done. What Obama has done is continue to "reach across the aisle" and "find common ground". Never did every Democrat vote against George W. Bush proposals, yet these guys did. They are obstructionist, rather than working for the good of all. As for Obama, I think he is a basically decent, honest guy, as politicians go. But it's bothersome to me when liberals/progressives accept what he does and give him, what I call (to my wife's annoyance) the free pass, because he's "not Bush", or "better than Bush." Yes I do think he is, but when he's wrong, his supporters need to make it clear that they hold him accountable and he's not getting the free pass. Lastly, no one's freedoms are lost. I'm free. All of us can post whatever we feel on the web. Consider that a few weeks ago, a gentlemen was at some airport at the same time Obama was at the airport, and he had a gun. He said he went there, with his gun, to see Obama. He wasn't arrested. If that had been GWB, Reagan, Nixon, LBJ, George's daddy, that guy would have been in the hole for a long time. Your freedoms are intact. And will always be.

mickeba

Mickeba,

the point I was making was that you are all missing the point. This is not about ideologies. It is not about left or right. It is about saving the planet and the moral imperative of doing so.

who would argue against it? Not you. You stated that you didn't see how it was a bad idea.
Who would?

Given this statement and the concept that the planet needs saving, which you have agreed is probably true, answer my question, if you can.


what is the best way to save the world?

Dawn

Well Dawn, sadly ideology is the biggest issue preventing us from solving it. Many would argue against it because of ideology and because in America, ideology has become the biggest driver of solutions. I'm not saying that as a cop out, or non-answer, I just think it's reality. Our political leaders used to, as recently as 30 years ago, did run the country with the good of the people in mind. Republicans and Democrats weren't as confrontational or rigid in their posturing as they are today, and I trace that all back to the election or Ronald Reagan. When Reagan came into office, extremisms and ideology really took center stage. Supreme court justice hearings are the best example. Pre-Reagan, there weren't the litmus test questions for judges. A big part of that is because pre-Reagan justices weren't subject to Roe v. Wade grilling, but these days, it's not just abortion that's a litmus test for justices. Look at how they treated Sotomayor, and how they will treat Kagan. So, ideology is getting in the way of finding a solution to the planetary issue, big time.

We could solve things if we had a frank and open discussion of what the causes of global warming are, and a realistic and non-hysterical consideration of what it takes to solve it. I feel one solution is to look at the vehicles we drive. I live in Southern California. Beautiful climate, no weather issues for the most part. Do people here really need the hulking SUV's that burn the gas, designed for off road? Certainly in Montana, Alaska, North Dakota, Minnesota they do, but here? No. So I would place a surtax on those vehicles. They are unnecessary here, and so often people buy them for show. SUV limos are a perfect example. Granted, that's an unheard of notion, people are free to buy and use what they want, but if we all could agree that fuel emmission's cause global warming, it's a start. I wouldn't go so far as they do in Japan and Europe and require speed limiters, but I wouldn't oppose it either.

I would require the federal and state governments, who are the biggest purchaser of vehicles in America, to buy hybrids whenever necessary. This will spur development of a better selection and cheaper vehicles for the public access. Plus, this would definitely help with the emission situation.

Those are just two ideas that I know a lot of people would be opposed to, but I'm a very socially oriented person. Sadly though, I do think we're going to get nowhere on so many of our problems because the various ideologies just always get in the way and few are willing to bend. I think Obama is willing to bend on his, too often for my taste. However, Republicans use his tendencie on this to extract whatever they can get. And that's their choice, but they give nothing, so they really in my view take advantage of his philosophy. In the end, we all lose.

mickeba

Ideology is what holds down the rapid expansion of an already overly expansive and corrupt federal government...ideology is just one word that shares the same meaning with 'theory' or 'view' or 'philosophy' and I am beginning to get a clear 'view' of yours...

I quote you...


"Those are just two ideas that I know a lot of people would be opposed to, but I'm a very socially oriented person. Sadly though, I do think we're going to get nowhere on so many of our problems because the various ideologies just always get in the way and few are willing to bend. I think Obama is willing to bend on his, too often for my taste. However, Republicans use his tendencies on this to extract whatever they can get. And that's their choice, but they give nothing, so they really in my view take advantage of his philosophy. In the end, we all lose."


Interestingly enough, you help the conservative ideology with such statements because the Obama philosophy is based on flawed data. He could not get the people to concede that his handful of scientist's 'theory' had turned in to 'fact' so he did an end run around the legislative process of law making and simply ordered the EPA to declare CO2 a deadly and formidable gas. Obama does not bend in the ideology he exudes he pushes it on every one that disagrees with it through executive orders.

To utter the audacious rhetoric that global warming (which by the way that is no longer politically correct it is climate change) is set science and no longer a theory flies in the face of science and its core of investigative findings based in 'facts' not theory...first the theory, then the investigation and then the factual findings. 3,146 government funded scientist have expressed their ideologies on the climate change but their 'facts' are not substantiated in the peer review of more than 31,000 scientist that argue the science is far from 'fact'. Over 9,000 of the greater number of those are PhDs in the related field of study.

My ideology is that this science of climate change is not set and this lie is being perpetrated as a political platform to initiate the "cap and trade" agenda that the democrats have failed to pass for many, many years. It is all a hoax and deception and the American people have thwarted it in the past successfully...we may not be so fortunate this time as the current administration has shown its contempt again by going around congress and creating laws and regulation entirely through the Executive branch...that is tyranny.

You stand along side Woody Allen, we should all just step aside and allow the philosophies of Obama to run free and unobstructed...that is folly at the least...

Climate change or global warming is a political monster designed to tax the American people irregardless of it being based on fact or not...it is a sham, CO2 is not a harmful gas but one of the major necessities to all life on Planet Earth...

James...

Scientist Disputes EPA Finding that Carbon Dioxide Poses Threat to Humans
By Gene J. Koprowski
- FOXNews.com


CHICAGO -- Carbon dioxide is hazardous to your health, the Environmental Protection Agency says. Oh really?
EPA scientists say manmade carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are contributing to a warming of the global climate -- and as such represent a threat to human welfare. Officials went so far as to declare the gas a danger to mankind in early December. But a leading climatologist says his research indicates that CO2 poses no threat to human welfare at all, and he says the EPA should revisit its findings.
“There is an overestimation of the environment’s sensitivity to CO2,” said Dr. Patrick Michaels, senior fellow in environmental studies at the CATO Institute and a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists.
Michaels spoke before a group of about 700 scientists and government officials at the fourth International Conference on Climate Change. The conference is presented annually in Chicago by the Heartland Institute, a conservative nonprofit think tank that actively questions the theory of man's role in global warming. Last year the Institute published Climate Change Reconsidered, a comprehensive reply to the United Nations' latest report on climate change.
Michaels described how the U.N. gathers weather information for its computer models, on which the EPA based its ruling. He said data gathering at weather stations in some parts of the world is spotty, and U.N. scientists add new figures to compensate. But in doing so, he said, they also add errors to the final research product.
“There is a systemic bias in the computer models,” said Michaels, whose research suggests that the U.N.’s adjusted computer modeling data, rather than actual observed data, is what connects the rise in temperatures to manmade causes. When one takes away the computerized modeling enhancements, he said, mankind’s contribution to global warming is virtually nil, approximately .03 degrees, rather than .07 degrees, over the last 50 years.
Thus, he said, most of the planet's warming is not from manmade sources. “This idea that most of the warming is due to greenhouse gases caused by man just isn’t right,” he said.
But Catherine C. Milbourn, a spokeswoman for the EPA in Washington, disagreed with Michaels’ conclusions.
“The U.S. Supreme Court ruled three years ago that greenhouse gas emissions constitute air pollution, and EPA set out to determine whether that pollution threatens the health and welfare of Americans," she told FoxNews.com, explaining that the EPA ruling was based on a comprehensive review of available science from an array of peer-reviewed sources across the globe.
"The conclusion: The scientific evidence of climate change is overwhelming, and greenhouse gases pose a real threat to the American people. The question of the science is settled,” Milbourn said.
Greg Wiles, an associate professor of geology at The College of Wooster in Ohio, agreed with Milbourn. “Despite the recent attacks on the scientific community and large-scale buy-in by some of the public, the science behind the conclusion that contemporary warming is largely anthropogenic (manmade) still stands,” he told FoxNews.com.
But others disagree. Former Virginia Gov. George Allen, chairman of the American Energy Freedom Center think tank, said that the U.S. is “at a crossroads in energy policy,” but that the country “cannot stand with pompous elites.”
He noted that a bill has been introduced in the U.S. Senate to essentially veto the EPA’s “endangerment finding” -- and he said that others, like the legislature of the state of Kansas, have also gone on record against implementing an energy policy based on EPA’s findings.

Mickeba

what is the goal of all of this fighting? Do you ever ask yourself: what's the point of it? apparently not or you would know the answer to my very simple question.

you have jumped on the bandwagon and you don't even know where the parade is going, do you?
the idea that light bulbs and electric motors will save this planet...and you think you understand what you are talking about...

fool.

tell me Mickeba,

WHAT IS THE BEST AND ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE PLANET FROM IMMINENT DESTRUCTION?

Dawn

I am 11 and from England.



Any way who do you think would win the world cup

Dawn:

I wish I could Just say it will go away,but we both Know it has to take its course Of time. We are going to get into a new way of life, NWO, the new Nafta Highway, the amero, and much more, Take this Executive Orders from Obama.You can check this up also,I hope you do,and everyone who reads it. EO.12425,10990,10995,10997,10998,10999,11000,11001,11002
,11003,11004,11005,11051,11310,11049,11921,13321,12396, This is all on Martial Law.

There are many studies that suggest more than a major majority of scientists agree on global warming. Yes it is a theory, but so is gravity

To destroy the human race.

Bravo James!!! Articulate and beautifully said.

I hope all here will read the following...but I don't have much hope of that happening judging by some of the comments!

This says it all - please read

Put the 3 w's before the address


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Good support. you at least can make a good point.

Ha! so good to have another younger person on here. all my peers think i'm wierd for enjoying this.

I can't even bother following you guys. this is way over my head.

Obamas stupid hes going to ruin our country he should have been impeached 3 and a half years ago we are losing our freedom of tradition and speach people get arrested fo saying what they believe