Perhaps einstein had contracted lymes disease, without knowing it, and the worm holes were in his head, and he thought they were in spaced because he was really so spaced out, what with the time warps and all in his head. It has however been a good run for the goyim schools teaching it as physics for more than a hundred years, and then theres this forum. While growing up and all the hype about einstein was interesting because you tend to believe whatever they tell you, then the maturity gene kicks in, and if you continue to study throughout your life, it soon becomes obvious, the shortcomings in academia, and even why. Its all about training kids to make good hirelings. Academia doesn't teach subjects about ownership, class separation etc, its designed to sell certification duly legally recognixed as a hireling in the field of study, all adept for courtroom presentation, allowing the person with the credentials to give credible testimony, the common man without academic certification giving testimony is prejudged as heresay, in this time travel world of courtroom clout in our legal academic caste system

I have read both special and general relativity several times and I can't find anything about wormholes. Just because these theories may allow them doesn't make it so. I have a theory about radio wave propagation that allows my washing to dry but this means nothing, especially when it rains.

"once upon a time black holes were ridiculed as science fantasy hype"

SO WHAT?

WHERE IS THE VERIFICATION OR OBSERVATION OF REALITY?

For every hypothesis that makes it to the theory stage, there are billions that don't. Until a hypothesis (like wormholes) has been verified and observed, it still has virtually no chance of being true.

The speed of sight is faster than the speed of light. using instrumentation the new hubble, seeing much further than before, has extended mans estimates of the universe from 3 1/2 billion years to more than 13 billion years old, using the hubble as a method of vision we can see light sources, if traveling at the speed of light , would take 13 billion years to reach us, 13 billion light years away,We see this distance in the blinking of an eye, that distance would take light traveling at 299,000 miles per second a long time to travel, assuming our math platforms are correct. The theories state the light reaching our eyes has been traveling for 13 billion years. For me its difficult to understand sources of energy lasting that long traveling through space, encountering all the possible interference along the way. I find it disturbing, that the new government is interfering in the NASA plans and budgets, especially when one considers that science is not one of the legal strong points, yet lawyers are now doing the planning for NASA. And Nasa is the leading edge for military science, now esentially under control of the lobbyst who control academia, the likes of AIPAC and the other 120 or so powerful lobbyst. I am becoming concerned about our elected politicians following their mandate to serve and protect us from the World Class Mafia, who toy with the federal government of the land. I would like to time travel 3 years into the future and see whats up. Whats going on up in under here, what with the new paramilitary obama is trying to create to replace our military, homeland security, and national guard.

UFOs, please. UFOs are precisely that, UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects. This says we DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. It does NOT imply they come from another galaxy, planet, down the road or the future or the past for that matter.

A friend of mine was once calibrating a radio antenna on the North Shore of an island. He saw lights in the sky coming towards him then flashing off to the west at tremendous speed. It turned out to be the headlights of cars on the mainland travelling down a particular highway being reflected on an inversion layer.

There were plenty of reports of "flying saucers" when a couple of other friends let a heap of candle/garbage bag hot air balloons go over a popular camping area one night.

Unless you can prove it yourself or quote a RELIABLE source, you must assume they are figments of human's very vivid imagination.

Given the linear nature of time in a universe that seems governed by beginnings and ends, I doubt traveling backward in time would result in anything more than a closed loop with only the traveler and the universe as it existed at the moment of the attempt. I wouldn't think it was possible to travel to 'a time' at all and certainly not to one without a time travel machine already in it.
Time isn't divided into moments like the frames of a film or the hash marks on a clock. It is moving smoothly from the past into the future via a wavefront we call the present.
The past represents fixed reality. The present represents the wave of probability based on the fixed events of the past. The future is possibility but not endless possibility because it is already partially fixed by the physical laws of the universe. (a newborn baby will possibly grow up to be president but probably grow up to be an adult, it will never become a very large grasshopper). The flow of time is made possible by the certainty of The End which everything in this universe faces.

Science has a very defined method. Someone observes something. They figure out some explanation and that becomes a hypothesis. This hypothesis is independently verified and checked by someone else. It then becomes a theory. One single counter example and the theory is ditched in favour of some other hypothesis that fits all the observations to that time. Further verification promotes the new hypothesis to the new theory.

There is no such thing as fact in science. The argument that we once though we couldn't go faster than sound does not mean we will break the light barrier or travel in time. It is an argument for nothing but human gullibility.

Until someone actually observes time travel and someone else independently verifies it, it doesn't exist.

Beleave in allah-sub-hana-watala not in any month...

Why would you " Dawn " whomever you may be, write something negative about the things I have stated on this forum. Sometimes, when the statements become bizarre, I read other stuff. All this stuff confusing theoretical science, with practical science, the practical science provides us with the instrumentation, that makes us what we are. Would take too long and it may be some of the posters on the forum may have a comprehension problem of such data. Besides, what else could I say, in addition to the comments already posted, why don't you fill me in, tell me where I have posted invalid data, considering we are working with a faulty letter and numbering system to start with, and real sciencewise, we have but scratched the surface. The entire idea of timetravel, given any valid premise would have to be considered entirely in the realm of science fiction. How could you travel on a word ? We are but little more than barking dogs, or monkeys using sticks to flush out eatable termites. Perhaps a bit above this realm, but real understanding of the universe ? Granted, with the one book, knowledge is growing exponentially, but now our rulers have cancelled "Constellation" The next generation of the shuttle, a return to mars and the moon, anytime soon, around 8,000 scientific positions have been deleted along with our new commander and chief who took over control of NASA. Oh well I guess there are no pork barrels for him to bend over on the moon, and why on earth would would aipac/acorn or the other 120 other powerful lobby groups want with such practical scientific trivia. Time Travel, I'm thinking its time for the current controlers on the hill to take a trip and take up another position. I am suffering a state of depression, seeing all our assets squandered on welfare, and swiss bank accounts, and all the landfill left over from a peoples who abandon nature and replace it with fashion and law, so rapidly denaturing the earth. Oh well, real science, and an understanding of basic economics are not the forta of lawyers, what can we expect. explode that, if you know what I mean

Now I understand you may have a problem with English, not being your primary language, incidently, your comments about what happened to the species that used to inhabit our planet, from fossil records. Are you aware a full study of seabottom core samples reveals the earths cycles to repeat until the sedimentation is no longer readable----It goes something like this, the earth survives in ice ages which last for hundreds of millions of years, where the last living survivors are the coldblooded creatures in the oceans, and few others, if any, then the earth heats up again and warmbloodied mammals and plantlife reappear, then its back to the ice ages. This cycle has reoccurred perhaps half a dozen times until we can no longer read the results of below oceanic strata. The warm periods last for only 10's of millions of years. There may be some credibility, the inuit, or "people" according to native american legend are the only ice age survivors of man. They have adapted to live in homes of ice and live on the blubber of sea creatures. All the other theoretical axioms are awash in supersticion and unfounded suppositions. now thats time travel, and the new hubble lens has revealed astronomical bodies more than 13 billion light years old, if you can believe the theoretical math.

Time travel is definitely possible if you have the right materials and mechanics to build a time machine. But it would probably be in the late future b4 people could get it all right.

Tick tock, time to see the Doc. ha ha ha. Time travel=throw the clock really fast and see the instrumentation of time travel

The one about throwing the clock. That's it! Time travel. Somebody REALLY figured it out. I love it.

According to the theory of relativity, time travel is possible, but it is not actually travelling through time, it means just slowing the time down. It does not mean that you can visit the past or the future. But as it is posssible at travelling at the spped of light only, it is not actually possible because at speed of light, the mass of the body would increase to such an extent that infinite energy would be needed to move it.

Ultimately, when we reach a higher magnitude of optical resolution, we may well discover the known universe is traveling faster than the theoretical speed of light. The entire theory of light is is grossly flawed

"Well when we reach a higher level of optical resolution, you can post an article explaining it. In the meantime, where is the theoretical treatment you have to show the "theory of light", whatever that is, is grossly flawed?"

So far, there are no counter examples whatever and millions of verifying observations showing what we know about light is true.

No it is not possible no way in hell

Strange things are happening on this forum. If you look above you will see I am credited with a really stupid statement.

ALL I SAID WAS

So far, there are no counter examples whatever and millions of verifying observations showing what we know about light is true.

Time travel is not possible. Even if it were, we are not even close to being able to understand how it could be done. In a thousand years or so maybe we might be an inch closer, so all of you guys participating in this blog from the basement of your parents house (haha) will have long been dead and forgotten by then.

Yes. Definitely impossible.

Academia marches on and on, untill such time as it goes over the cliff, and these units of measures, created by supposition are disproven because of new instrumentation, permitting us to see the things that illustrate your academic-pseudo-science-laws are simply wrong

Last year the big bang occurred around 4 billion years ago

This year, with better optical resolution we see star clusters 14 billion years old

If the math is correct, then, better instrumentation exposed the realm of theoretical science as gibberish.

Like the instrumentation proving the duration of a second is 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation, correcponding to the transition, between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state, of the caesium 133 atom. Pure speculation, absolutely missing is the instrumentation validifing your gibbersh. It may be something to sell an immature child, wasting, your time, and theirs, on slightly evolved daltonion theory, or attempting to describe the invisible, undeterminable structure of elemental data, which no one can either prove or disprove, because your entire statement is based on axioms (Fiction) taken as fact for the purposes of theoretical physics-academia. the tail wagging the dog (industry) attempting to makeup storys explaining how things work, and doing a rather poor job at it.

Practical physics helps designers and engineers design the new instrumentation that society uses in an effort to utilize resources.

theoretical physics, just a bit more complex than comic books

Look at a computers memory. You have this computer at home you love it. Everything is set up great for you than one day,POOF, it's running slow, you can't access certain sites. What do you do? You restore the computer by going back in time to when the computer ran great(after removing the virus of course). Are you not going back in time? The computer itself has change time with in. Is it safe to say than that forces outside your control you being the computer can move you back in time.HMMMM.. I wonder if there is someone at my keyboard looking at me. Anyway I think that's proof you can go back n time. Moving forward I don't think so. Take that Einstein.

You can't use a computer's system restore function as an example of time travel. Your reasoning is childish at best. Time only flows in one direction, FORWARD. you can't go back, nor can you skip time and move forward at a faster rate. Everyone and everything moves through time at the same speed, and that can never be altered. The past only exists in our minds, thus it's not a real location or place. Same with the future. We can visualize it in our minds but since it hasn't happened yet, it doesn't exist. Like the past, it is in our minds. We can only manipulate things in the present. Therefore time travel is not possible. When I read the above post, my head almost exploded. It's like a three year old wrote it. Let's stick to facts people.

What is time really? We never live in the present; we live in our past's future or our future's past. Since time perception is relative, why could it not happen?!

Well...I agree that you cannot go backwards BUT you can certainly move forwards at a faster rate. This has been shown through experimentation, time and time again (Relativity.) I agree that some of the many trolls have written such silly unsubstantiated rubbish thought.

Yes time travel is real, its easy too, take the watch from your wrist and throw it as far as you can, watch it go " Time travel" then pick it up and see how much you have traveled into the future. Yup, its a done deal, time travel

In physical world time travel in impossible but in spiritual realms, it is possible.events are recorded in certain dimension only spirit can reach and comprehend but the past was just a reminder for everyone to avoid repeatitions of errors as a result of wrong decisions.

"In physical world time travel in impossible but in spiritual realms, it is possible."

And this is a Physics forum, so we are referring to the physical world.

"...events are recorded in certain dimension only spirit can reach..."

Yes, but dimensions are a physical thing, not spiritual.

First, learn proper English and not that gibberish that you try to use. Second, I did not say that you cannot say your idiotic drivel; however, were I a moderator, you would most certainly be banned. Thirdly, if you brought something positive about the topic into the forum, I wouldn't mind. But when you write over 16,000 words of non-sense, fantasy, and stupidity it kind of stopped being funny 16,000 words ago.

You constantly troll the site with what one could only describe as a drug-induced stream of consciousness that goes off on endless tangents. Constantly defying common sense, logic, math, and confusing even the most basic ideas of the physical which even a 4 year old would find simple.

I am again going to try my hardest to see if something can be done about this. I mean enough is enough!

It makes me sad you don't find my imput as informative as I find yours, Perhaps you haven't the patience to read and understand the words. I appoligize for the poor grammar, Its the multiple languages that does it. To speak in another language you must learn a vocabulary big enough to think in, because before you speak, you must think. And while I am not as fluent as I would like to be in others, I still try, and my english must be not be as perfect as it once was. It may also be because I read and write for content, so, the grammarical portion has suffered. I am not alone, the children, with increasing higher and higher levels of intel merging with gaming and such have the same problems, so, I don't feel alone.

And, if you don't like to read my words, then just ignore them. I was noticing we seem to be on different pages and different books. I don't get many comments about some of the newer information I run across, that may be applicable to theoretical physics.

Must admitt, even in engineering school theoretical physics was boring, what without premise, the logic was hard to follow. I always look for valid assumptions in a math statement, which leads me to discount all but the most logic. If the computer can't equate it, it doesn't interest me.

way back in computer school there was an old univac, which was used by a math Phd, mostly to calculate alogorithyms, It was a room full of tubes, an ET (electronics technician) with a tube tester spent the better part of a day just to keep it running less than 10% efficient.

That was in the early 60's, I don't know how much longer it will be for me, but I feel blessed to have simply lived and worked in these times, Isn't it an exciting time ?

Oh yes, one other thing, I don't drink, smoke, etc. I spend my time in data mining. From time to time I devote a little time to the time travel forum, like you.

Good Luck and have a good life.

And don't waste your time complaining to google about "trolling", its such a convoluted word, Hey!, Googles the way home

Ofcourse,it is possible to mankind but we didnt improve up to that ,the journey of going into past & future good thought at present scenario every body watching out for a new world if d time travelling happens its good

You answered a question. About a computer. You said everyone can move faster or project an item....Faster.. That's not true in a vacuum. Space is a vacuum. Everything moves equally...a feather or a rock applied the same pressure moves or falls the same rate. Drop a rock or lower in a vacuum, they fall perfectly even. Physics and math is wrong. It's the form. That form(galaxy) moves.

Sure thing, GigaMaster.

Time travel (to the past,) as far as we can tell is impossible. Why? The answer to this lies deeply in the definitions being used. We know from Relativity, that time can move faster or slower depending on your speed: the closer you get to c, the more time slows down for you relative to others traveling at lesser speeds, etc. However, we also know that the closer you get to c, the more mass you acquire and thus the more energy you will need to get even closer to c. Here, we are referring to objects with mass. As it turns out, even the smallest possible mass would require an infinite amount of energy to get to c. This is why "c is the highest possible speed by which information can be exchanged between two events." Massless particles like photons have to travel at c: they cannot travel faster or slower*. (They can and do actually travel less than c in all other medium; but in a vacuum, they travel at c.) Experiments support SR (Special Relativity) time & time again.

So where do we get this notion of "going" to the past? One if the ways is that if you "plug" a value for v (speed) that exceeds c into SR equations and solve for t (time,) you get a negative number! So that means you'll go back in time, right? Nope. First off, even if you had a FTL signal or transportation method, it would simply "appear" as if it went back in time but it wouldn't "actually" do so. Also, who says that time is something that you can "travel" to begin with?

This brings us right back to our initial point: definitions. So what is time? Well, I can define the progression of time as change. It's that simple! Time = change. Although this seems rather simple, it has some profound consequences. For example: going to the past becomes impossible / undefined / meaningless. Why? Well because you can have no change (which is like time not progressing); a little change (which is like time progressing slowly); or a lot of change (which is like time progressing quickly.) There are no other possibilities & therefore impossible to travel to the past.

Hi

I don't think it is possible to travel in time unless it exists as a single point....where past present and future are all occurring at the same....time

in our linear existences and linear universe, time is not generally conceived as a singularity...it flows smoothly from past to future along a wave front of the present...however, there are irregularities in this linear time (deja vu, prophecy, precognition,) that seems to indicate that Time is something other than linear but, because we can't perceive time outside our linear universe, we can't see its full structure.


perhaps time travel can or does occur in a singularity where the structure of the universe breaks down. Singularities are strange things.

Dawn

Hi lehmann520.

I see what you are saying but we are constantly "traveling" to the future at 1 second per second. As far as we can tell, there seems to be an arrow of time where time flows in a particular direction in seemingly endless successions of cause and effect.

Also, in your statement "where past present and future are all occurring at the same....time " you are describing sort of multiple time dimensions. However, you haven't really defined what time is and so I have no way of envisioning what you are suggesting. Additionally, the concept is altogether impossible with certain definitions of time; for example, the definition that I use: time = change. Then there is the MWI which may allow for time in that manner BUT there is no time travel in MWI, only travel to universes.

I understand that physics breaks down in a singularity; as such, time breaks down as well...which of course means that time does not occur in a singularity.

Cheers!

You know about "deja vu"?
Time/facts missperceptions are more or less understood.
Go that track. May be you find something.
/mauricio

If the structure of the universe breaks down, then what is left ?

Deja vu: can be caused by signal delay between the left & right hemispheres of the brain.

You know about "deja vu"?
Time/facts missperceptions are more or less understood.
Go that track. May be you find something.
/mauricio

Stating time travel to the past is impossible, but time travel to the future is possible, has me confused. If you were to accomplish time travel to the future, then you would have to experience time travel to the past to return. If time travel were to actually be experienced, both going into the future and returning, or going into the past would have to be accomplished for time travel to occur.

Its like deja vu, or experiencing the same thing again. If you went into the future and returned to the past, then time brought you to the point in time you had been to, it would most certainly be deja vu, which was the black cat seen twice in the matrix movie about Neo, before the forces of the Mr. Smith's which were the matrix protectors appeared, indicating time travel is possible in data processing structures, accomplished on information technology, which presently uses printed circuit boards as platforms, and have capacitors as modulation monitors, so circuitry will not overload and fuse, therefore rendering that portion of the loop inacessable--Flux Capicitors ? I read this in an older blog by tBoone, and am still in a quandry as to his meaning of " Flux Capicitor "

Actually the whole time travel forum is starting to sound like the current admin, which says one thing one day, then another the next, yet seems to portray themselves as the gatekeepers of the time travel forum.

It like deja vu, except the deja vu is the inconsistency, repeated.

I am still wondering, is defeating time, n the internet, considered in the realm of time travel.

Or those peanuts too big to swallow, or has the intellectual limitations rendered the gatekeepers as being in over their heads, and simply can't keep up, limited as it were by the definition of " C "

Creation

I have long envisaged singularities as creation engines (though I am not first to do so) driven by gravity

old information is sucked in then crunched up and churned around in the well(where the laws break down) before being spit out as new matter and energy, ready to be written into new information...gravity is, in my thinking, also the force that collects and reorganizes this new matter and energy into forms which will become this new information. This is demonstrated by the pictures of black holes not as BLACK holes, but of luminous entities. It also makes the center of our galaxy the engine that powers the whole thing, explaining where all that uncounted matter is...it's in the singularity. It doesn't just eat and eating is not its primary function... but I digress...

the reason I am here on this time travel forum is because I have been wondering about time as a form of information, a very strange type of information

past to future along a wave front of the present, which could be argued, is the act of information writing (the present wave front)...the past being written information, the future being potential information waiting to be written

if gravity is the engine that breaks down and rewrites old info and collects new matter and energy into new info, can it not also be an engine that takes old, already written time and...cleans it?

yet...what happens to this newly cleaned time? does it pour into the future, into the realm of causality, or does it get stored somehow in the gravity well?

I know you don't like theoretical physics and this forum doesn't like metaphysics. If I leave out both I am left with...nothing.
yet, there is the fact of precognition, prophecy, deja vu...no matter what anyone says, it cannot be argued that such things are easily explained by chemical reactions, biology, or simple physical processes.

perhaps we are missing something. I have a single word for what we ARE missing but I will not utter that word here. Let's say, simply, that I think the view of the universe as a void and singularities as mere engines of destruction leaves out a very basic fact of life. Life is about constant creation. There is nothing in our world that cannot become something else simply by dying and being broken down.
I see this and say...so how does this simple rule apply to the bigger picture.

is time part of that picture? If we could truly see the fourth dimension and not just measure a part of it, what does it look like?

Dawn

Your concept is most interesting, though as you said is not the first consideration of reincarnation, and other impossible to prove and difficult to discuss possibilities people actual believe in. Which illustrates again and again just how little our precepts of reality are confined to, given the limited magnitude of our literacy. The concept of matter being lost to time in one state and the possibility of returning to time in another state is more conceivable than not, given the natural intelligence our bretheren , the other species display. This forum is an interesting place to discuss all the posibilities of time travel, in whatever form it may take, and continues to show time and time again, how poorly the academically orchestrated laws of both theoretical and practical physics are in illfated attempts to describe simple reality. It would be nice to have access to a math platform or series of platforms by which our studies could lead us into the realm of utter truth, and we could discover where we are heading and from where we have been, But, for now it appears to consider these concepts we are left in the paranormal realms, or what some may call dimensions, given the variability of the word. Perhaps with the fast pace of information technology, succeeding generations will come to know more. I for one am OK with knowing the truth is out there, somewhere, and am pleased to know there are some who fathom the search, and yet dismayed at the vast majority who seem to be stuck in some sort of literary hypnosis, beleiving they have the words we need to see our spirits (if they exist) through time. and can conceive the potential element of change for all those sub-cultures who say they do not believe in the paranormal, yet permit their entire belief system to be goverened by the very thing they deny. I am wondering if a lot more people have experienced spiritual or paranormal events than admitt to the events, for the fear of non-acceptence. It is these forms of experiences that keeps me reading about " Time Travel " and its obvious contradictory attempts at explanation.

My personal visions are continually in an outside realm, connecting it to scientific theory goes back to the days of john claude keeley, and studies of vibratory or wavefront systems where aether was a widely accepted word for an unknown highly complex media the variable frequencies and amplitudes traveled or vibrated through. After a series of time travel science fiction in the middle of the 1800's einstein came up with a bevy of theoretical concepts steming from his borrowed lorentz theory which led to einsteinian theory, and the end of keeley, carnagie and others destroyed his labs, devises etc, tried to erace his name and work from history, and only now what with particle accelerator equipment are we returning back to considerations of his time, and the time of edison bell tesla ohm marconi currie, and all the others who believed in this phenonema. Vibratory physics or wave resonance observations, which all physical elements and compounds relate to, and the attempts to relate it to gravity, for anti gravity possibilities, and even to identifying anti-matter, all has to do with vibratory science, and some really intense efforts to actually discover where this realm begins, and where it ends, if in fact it has a beginning and an end, or actually enters into some form of ternary azeotrope and/or beyond.

Personally I have come to believe more than disbelieve in entieties, having far greater abilities than mortal man, and definitely consider the idea of creation, or something capable of designs and methods of construction greater than mankinds ability to even consider the methodology, or actually question the origin of such an entiety. I wonder of a place I was before I came here, and consider a place where I will go when I leave here. And I am alone, yet in the company of others in these envisioned realms. In truth the word and number system breaks dowm completely at this level of belief, or consideration of reality. I figure such visions were ment for me and others would not believe in such spiritual phenonema, if the vision were not theirs, and perhaps its true, the visions are ment for me. Whatever, I actually believe the species of man to have more control over nature because of our rotating tongue, and hyperflexible hand, which through spiritual intervention enabled first literacy, and then information technology, thereby permitting mankind to go into time with cumlative intel no other species is capable of, in their present state, yet I do believe the other species possess a far greater intelligence than academias socalled instinct, which is more of an excuse for the vast ignorance academia hoards than a valid description of nature. And for this reason we will probably perish in the next great ice age which is upon us, and will in a few milllineum leave the world covered in ice, and will last for hundreds of millions of years, as the seas core samples has shown to be earths actual cycle. which has historically occurred as far down as sea bottom sedimentation is readable. Instead of spending lifetimes of study in attempts to discover actual reality, we waste them on fashion and law, and discuss things inspired by a single sub-culture of criminality, that rules this dieing world, they so willfully murder. I predict their time will end soon, but the question is " Will the earth survive the ignorance of their reality "

Okay, that's a lot to take in. Forgive me if I don't get all you said. I'm trying.

I have read theories of aether and some of what you are referring to as vibratory theory and wave theory. These theories have led to steady state theories put forth by Fred Hoyle and extrapolated upon by Paul LaViolette (both in the seventies)(Sierra Sky Ranch, if you're interested)
I recently began to study the works of these men and it awakened a part of me that adores puzzles, codes, and cryptography.

when I work on one of these things, I feel eager to figure out the tale of the thing and this eagerness drives me now but, the feeling is also overwhelming, like it is not a mere puzzle I am figuring out, but a truth, maybe a large one.

the question of time travel must include the nature of time. I have read other posts that seem to regard time as a series of events but that is not reality. Time flows smoothly. It doesn't jerk and shudder. So, even when viewed by mere linear creatures, the nature of time is smooth, wave like. It is only the MEASUREMENT of time that moves in jerks and starts, not time itself. To say time can be reduced to fractions of anything is to say that, even if we cannot feel it, time is jerking along. This isn't reality.

My time line is far shorter than a planet's but infinite compared to a fruit fly's yet each of these time lines occur parallel to each other.
to travel in time would require traveling in ALL time lines occurring parallel to the one I travel in.
This doesn't seem possible to me UNLESS true nature of time is singular.
all times existing simultaneously...and that would mean linear time is an illusion, as is linear life...which pretty much means the whole universe is a dream.

this doesn't seem likely.
but, in a black hole, it may be possible...since the laws of physics break down...

to me, understanding the nature of time in a singularity is the key to understanding...a question as yet unasked by modern physics except on the quantum level.
I'm not talking about anything paranormal. I'm discussing unpopular but real science.

Dawn

A study of the chronological history of the word " time " comes to us from the english language, the newest, when the germanic tribes merged with the latin cultures, and has absorbed virtually any other culture of the world whose instrumentation originated in that culture. As some may understand it to be a result of timeing the earths cycles, as it orbits the sun, traveling about 79,000 miles per hour. rotating about every 24 hours, divided into minutes and seconds, presently changing over to some varient of the metric system. No time consideration has been given to the suns 200 or so meters per second, speed as it rotates the center of our galaxy, completeing the orbit every 225 to 250 million years. The galaxy itself moves in relation tto the other galaxies at about 600 meters per second, although so-called atrophysics differs by fourfold in their estimation.

Time is an ancient word, with no real meaning, other than how long it takes the sun to circle the earth (a joke) which if you disagreed with, less than 600 year ago could result in the end of your life, because of heracy, against the words of moses. The earth is also not flat, nor the center of the universe, although there are still rabbinical authority who would dissagree with those words.

The ancient prophets, to have correctly identified the future would have either have to gone there or had it from some authority who was able to go there and tell the profits what happens, or to somehow see, or calculate what will happen, and tell said profit what will happen, According to the words assembled under the auspices of constantine the great, emperor of rome, when he engaged the counsil of nicea to organize the first bible from the 600 or so christian books of that time with the pagan beliefs, which is stated in the bible when it says " God " is greater than the other " Gods " refering to the multiple god belief system of the pagans. The first bible had perhaps 87 books, trimed down to the present 66 when luther and calvin began reformation, and king james had his version published.

Virtually all the religions had similar beginnings, originating from supernatural, or magical circumstances, at a time that may, by some, considered to be preliterate,

Visions from other realms, and of spirits are common place, indicating some form of real existence, or delusion, or a realm beyond the instrumentation of man. Kind of like theoretical physics, where your premise doesn't require valid premise, and has to be taken on faith.

Kinda like considering the words " Time Travel " to be valid words

travel, or movement is a lot simpler than time to figure out, however, combine the two, and an endless array of suppositions may be revealed, since nothing has to be proven, you can say virtually anything, like( lorentz, einstein,) after and during the worlds early science fiction novels

Einstein was like any another science fiction writer, except the academic companies boards of directors choose him to continue their foray into theoretical physics, which is very similar to pure fiction, the difference being they us phony math to ilustrate their long drawn out conclusions of the moment, and end their theses with the long list of others like themselves. Its something to sell the kid whose dad has the cash to give the academic ventures so they can continue to blow smoke up the worlds nose

Einstein may have been right time and time again, but that does not mean that he is always right. Many people have experimented to try and prove their theories and then other people would experiment and show them they were not totally right. They use to experiment with eggs and said to not eat eggs. then they said eat only the white part of the egg. then they said to go ahead and eat eggs. All the experimenting took them around a circle back to the beginning.Some people trust science too much, some people trust certain scientists too much and some people trust einstein too much. too much of anything is not good for you.

Relative time is measured by the movement of bodies, for example=the earth spins once and that equals one day.
real time cannot be measured.

"Einstein may have been right time and time again, but that does not mean that he is always right." No one is saying that he is always right; just right in this case.

"Some people trust science too much..." So we should trust fantasy a little more then? I guess some people trust thinking too much as well.

What you call relative time is a way to measure time, but there are many others. Any change occurring IS the progression of time real, relative or otherwise.

*Define* the terms Relative time & real time.

For example: Time = Change; the forward progression of time IS change.

Time changes all things as the hundrends of thousands of engineering manyears doing practical physics leading up to partical acellerators, which have identified more than 100 particles we were not aware of just a short time ago that challenges the very construct of atomic theory, and is bringing us back to the days of an infinitely complex structure that in the 1800's was called aether, and was simply the median the electromagnetic spectrum used to resonant within. the age old argument of light being a particle or a wave or both, in which einstein, the patents clerk, declared outerspace to be a void, vacumn, and aether to be an illusion put him in conflict with guys like; edison, bell, ohm, herts tesla, currie, marconi, etc etc, real scientists. unfortunately, academia, not being too bright with their adapting theoretical physics as a place to put his invalid statements, have sold einsteinian theory for more than a hundred years, possibly the greatest hoax of modern time. Now with the return of reality and the beginnings of identifing the complex compound called aether ( For want of a better word) this direction of observation has led us back to the road of vibratory physics and the ongoing discovery of resonant wave frequencies and amplitudes, virtually all matter possess. The predictions of John Claude Keeley, deemed as lies to steal grant money by dale carnegie and other pseudo-great men of the time, destroyed all his labratories and attempted to erace him from the pages of history. Only now, as he predicted would happen, man would eventually develop instrumentation giving true credibility to his predictions of resonamt wave theory and the prediction of an ever increasingly complex structure that space is actually composed of. Its an exciting time to be alive, and see the new instrumentation take shape, a part of it, being designed, assembled and operated to began to identify the actual components of aether and the wave resonant frequencies and amplitudes that virtually all matter indeed vibrates at. Not to mention the closer observation of light itself, nothing more than a wave, whose speed is altered by a number of variables and is definitely not a constant. Finally we are beginning the right direction, leading us into truths the world deemed lies. Unfortunately we are ruled by lawyers, whse thoughts and desires are not of either ongoing scientific realms, and are deathfully afraid of information technology, which allows men to use instrumentation to make proper decisions without biased, mortal, mentally deranged, men to make a continuing series of self serving decisions, which is presently the case in politics, law, medicine, education, to name a few elements of society that would permit our ascention to the truth. With artificial intel man can defeat the time that would have otherwise altered the world into remaining in the dark age. Its present domain

Once einstein actually entered academic, the words of science he was able to comprehend, and at academia, where data is shared, permitted his participation, where he continued to participate, selling his verbage, while agreeing with his associates, read einstein closely, and the others in his realm, you will find a fraud and a plaguarist, his science has already been displaced by any, real scientist, because real education occurs from interest and interest along, accepting current academic theory is theoretical physics, its fiction, it reveals, that in academic ventures , you can state anything you wish, and list the group who are in your corner, and get it published. However, saying something, and it being the truth are two different things, in the academia of the 21st century, where you can decide whatever you want to see in published media, and hire Phd's who will use the current number and letter system to illustrate whatever the client is willing to pay for. Its like Court Room Clout where you get a lawyer who has an in to the judges chamber, and win whatever case you want, all you have to do is locate corruption and pay the going price. Murder is legal. Facts presented are called heresay by his lordship, while lies are called the facts of the case as the jury is instructed as to the facts of the case. Political Science, is a misnomer, and belongs in the eraced annals of schoolastic accomplishment. Politics is a short word for manipulation and control, science misinterpreted as the illegal alogical unethical method of accomplishing clout. taken for granted in the lower county/city courts, where corruption prevails, big time.