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Royam1002
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I really appreciate your comment. 90% of what I have read in this venue seem to ignore the prime question, is time travel possible? I really wish the managers of this venue would restrict replies to "Yes or No" followed by backup for their answer.
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HG Wells is famous for his time travel story, which is like Dr Who. Since the half life of U-238 is approximately the age of the Sun and Th-232 is approximately the age of the universe, breaking the speed of light as a force replaces the concept of time travel. Nuclear reactor critical mass equals the intermediate vector boson and I would not be surprised if by swapping fragments for the original isotope, that the center of the Sun supplies the potential energy.
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Royam1002
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More than likely your statement exceeds my limited and primitive comprehensive abilities. When you say something is as old as the universe, I am at a loss. In my mind the universe is space and space has no beginning and no end. But the other side of the coin is that every particle of every matter in the universe has existed in one form or another forever and in perpetuity. Just as fire creates energy from combustible matter, that matter did not disappear, it was converted into something else. Some day billions of years from now the sun will die and explode and everything in this planetary system will be vaporized and be converted into the space dust that created us in the first place. But all of what you have said and all of what I have said does not address the question: is time travel possible?
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I did not intend time travel if possible,i just want to prove that big bang is a big lie.

maybe there are evidences that star has exploded,but stars are just element of universe, big bang can't be base to that star that explode since that star is just a dot in universe like a grain of sand.

sun may not explode it may just not emit light in the future
we dont know when.
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quantum
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Take a look at my equation if time travel is possible

CONSERVATION OF TIME
T = M E
= .0000054 X 185185
= 1 SEC.

where 185185 is theoritical speed of light from sun
.0000054 is medium of light from sun to earth

TIME CONSERVATION OF EARTH

1) T = M / GV
=.0000054/.0060822 g
=.0008878 energy from light as being attracted by earth's gravity( speed=time.0008878 miles/sec.)

2) M = T C
= .0008878 X 185871.32396(speed of particles in core)
= 165.0165614 potential energy and mass in the core

3) T = M / GW
=165.0165614 / 30447042.19
=.0000054 released mass and energy from core of earth
some are absorbed by sun
4) BACK TO 1 TO COMPLETE CYCLE OF TIME
* time repeat itself just like water returns to where it came

TIME CONSERVATION IN SUN

1) M = T C
= .0000054 X 185185
= 1 mass absorbed from earth

2) T = M / V
= 1 / .0060822
= 164.4141922 m,t and e conserve in core of sun

3) T = M / C
= 164.4141922 / 185185
= .0008878 released energy from core of sun to absorb by earth

4) M = T C
= .0008878 X 185871.32396
= 165.0165614 quantizing mass and energy in the core of sun,to emit back .0008878 energy needed by earth

number 4 MUST HAVE TO CYCLE BACK TO NUMBER 1 BUT CANNOT BE WITHOUT .0000054 energy which is equal to .0000054 second gravitational wave from earth. which is 30447042.19 miles/second velocity equivalent to 164.4141922 times the speed of light from sun.

therefore EARTH IS OLDER THAN SUN , even other planets in solar system is older than sun. creation process had followed step by step in order to conserve energy,mass,velocity,space and time.

still like to travel in time? much better if going to future the nearest is tomorrow.. but what will you do if you travel back in time, the time when there was no sun in the center of solar system?

maybe by regret we want to travel back, we have nothing to do but regret. so ( t = m e )and ( t = e ) expresses not to waste our time.
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Royam1002
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In short I am not going to discuss what I don't understand. But here's a question you might be able to answer in simple English. If time travel was possible and someone projected into the future to a point beyond the existence of our sun or planet, what would happen to that person? Since every thing has been obliterated will you continue to exist and if so how?
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Thank you you see the big bang is a lie that is why it is a theory it is all a lie you see you do not have to prove it it is a lie.
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A person cannot travel in time like H G Wells science fiction, but past mistakes can be fixed as much as possible in the future. When new animal species take the ecological niche lost by extinct species they gain remarkably similar appearance and body structure to the originals. Sow bugs look a lot like extinct trilobites, smaller than ocean size to allow existence on land with primitive respiration, in the same ecological role as an ocean bottom feeder.
It is easiest to explain the red shift of the Big Bang as the speed of light slowing as the electron rest mass proportionally increases so to a smaller atom the speed of light seems to not have changed. This would stabilize the heavy isotopes by time since the Big Bang.
If the 14.1 billion year half life of Th-232 is from black holes formed before the Big Bang, prior to the universe, sound waves would replace light, and increasingly massive muons would exist instead of increasingly massive electrons. The 1800's concept of ether instead of nothing in outer space would be the state before the Big Bang. Ether would become thinner with time, with sound wave propagation slower as time by Th-232 approaches the Big Bang.
The ramjet of afterburner is the acoustical equivalent of the triode vacuum tube, dumping burning fuel into a supersonic airflow amplifies the velocity of the jet fighter aircraft as a supersonic flow can occur only in the opposite direction of the aircraft. Here whole molecules behave like electrons in a vacuum tube, the red glow of burning fuel like the glow of a vacuum tube cathode.
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Ether had been concluded before as nothing, cause it wasn't ether,rather particles of unit mass and energy(already filled with energy from stars and sun that results fixed speed of light).
Particles are energy contained in matter ranging from .0000054 to .0000001 mass and energy. This range are medium of light,therefore light travel in outer space with range of 185185 to 1,851,850,000,000 miles/second from source.
once this range have quantized with .0000001 mass and energy somewhere in universe the result is visible light quanta.
This quantizing effect conserves universal space and time between universal elements.
This was what might had observed by observatory that seems universe is expanding.

About time

GRAVITY OF SUN DICTATES TIME ON EARTH

Einstein equation (e = mass multiplied by square light speed)the result is energy emitted by sun outward every direction passing tru orbit of earth.
E=MC squared .0000054 x 185185mile/sec. squared =185184.814815 miles per sec. energy of light emitted as solar radiations.

M=EV - the equation of mass governed by gravitational pull of earth absorbs energy from sun ( e=m )
185184.814815 x .0060822 = 1126.3310807 absorb mass from sun.
check: GV=MT 1126.3 X .0000054 = .0060822 miles/sec. or 9.81 metr/sec. gravitational velocity of earth. this means that .0000054 is being converted to mass by light quantizing effect
check: M=EC .0060822 x 185185 = 1126.3 (e=gv)

GRAVITY OF SUN (absorbs back as possible its emitted mass)
V=M/E 1126.33/185184.81 = .0060822 Same on earth
check: C=M/GVs 1126/.0060822 = 185185 miles/sec velocity towards sun.. means that newly forming energetic hydrogen particles opposes 185185 emission of energy from sun, since hydrogen has 186655.6 energy absorption velocity(faster than C from sun) to form hydrogen mass.

CONSERVATION OF SPACE AND TIME
E=MD (D=distance or space) between sun-earth
=.0000054 x 92956000 miles
=501.9624
where .0000054 is medium of light between sun and earth

V=M/E 1126.3/501.9624 = 2.2438555

TIME = ENERGY
T=M/V 2.243855/.0061305 = 366.0150885 days of earth in one year (.0061305 is hydrogen velocity as being attracted by gravity of sun)

transformation of mass to energy and energy to mass is the cycle of time being space and core of sun, earth,stars and other planets as medium, a danger for time traveler if become possible.
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Theory connects with belief and technology.
Disclosure of my theory has full of equations as needed to explain not in words that i'm lacking most due to my limited knowledge being not educated formally.
If E=mc2 was the bases of big bang,i've already shown where it fit to explain. This equation doesn't conform with greater mass more than .0000054, much more to the countless elements of universe. if M=EC was its origen,still e=mc2 do not agree for the vastness and mass of universal elements, rather may agree to individuality of each universal element.

It is up to everyone where to believe,but the next important question is, what shall we get out from this?

My unified theory of equilibrium states that velocity is equal mass and equal energy. (V = M = E)
It is out of my capability to experiment anti gravity and to know if its safe.

V = M - E fit for the equation of anti gravity
Which means upward velocity results for mass by propulsion of its energy needed by gravity.

one example is rocket, but in another way, maybe by propulsion of electron particles or energy contain in atoms will function as fuel that may propel rocket or vehicle in controlled way. just like sun, by its solar radiation propels out every planet,but gravity balances approaching energy in the speed of light resulting orbital radius.

Energy needed by gravity of earth is .0008878
if electron mass is .511003 then this counts 575.5834647 energy required by gravity.
.0000054/.0060822=.0008878 (where .0000054 is the orbital energy of earth.)
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Royam1002
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I do not posses the cranial capacity to discuss or argue formulas. At a certain point such discussions leave me behind and defy common mental capacity.

I have a hard time understanding how it is the sun is 100 times bigger than the earth. The gravitational pull must be enormous yet the planet Mercury continues its orbit an is never pulled in, How come?

The scientists insist the galaxy is expanding at enormous rate, yet the distance between our planets and the sun does not seem to change.

Our planet is several years old yet continues to rotate basically at the same rate. What keeps it rotating?

Light emanates 360 degrees 360 degrees. yet we only see it if we are facing the source. How come light does not completely blanket the heavens?

What is it that propels light throughout the expanse of space? For anything to move it must be either self propelled or it must be launched with such speed and velocity that it goes through space seemingly endlessly. Unless it is physically blocked does it ever just run out of juice?

Finally, it is obvious I have way too much time on my hands.
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Volcilord
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From First Friday nights Star Trek special at the St Louis Science Center I saw the borgs movie, Star Trek The First Contact, here Star Trek successfully mimicked Orsen Wells and Dr Who. Time travel does not exist and theories of reincarnation better fit nature than outright time travel. I noticed that in October 1991 at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC, that a Buddhist scroll from Tibet is their version of Dante's Divine Comedy. Reincarnation as animals is used for purgatory and infernal punishment in Buddhism. The reincarnation of aliens as humans filled to the brim with technological ideas is something acceptable to Buddhism. Knowledge can be saved as moon toys, dorsum, cherumbims (angel and devil both on shoulders of a boy), and the like. The approach of the critical mass of the nuclear reactor to produce tough magic tricks is how to produce dorsum or soul food. Later that thing either get exorcised or worshiped as an avatar when the child gets noticed.
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Solar system behaves like atom
why is it that electron orbit its central nucleus endlessly like no boudaries of time. What keeps distance in between nucleus and electron?
It is energy that keep them bind together,electron orbit for its way of gathering energy,because its central nucleus absorb its gathered energy from invironment at all time.
Invironment is their source of energy and the source is light energy,this light energy come and go like as we experience day and night.
During night central nucleus of an atom captures energy from electron,being this case their distance is closer,since electron also is as if trying to absorb back its energy,the binding force therefore comes greater.
During day,instead of forcing back energy from nucleus,electron may say "there is lot out here!" (energy from invironment), so the electron goes again its way of gathering energy it need.
But why is it that electron in normal invironment still cannot scape from nucleus?
Its because gravity of earth is always attracting every unit mass of 1. And this unit mass is in the nucleus of an atom. 1 unit mass is equal 185185 energy from light. Therefore nucleus still needs energy from its orbiting electrons,the reason of not letting electron freely is by gravitational energy absorption.

Plasma, the fourth state of matter where electron moves freely is due to absence of gravity,isn't it that outer space has no gravity? If there is, it may only be gravitational wave.
Plasma,to obtain here on earth need vast amount of heat and energy,and its hard to obtain since gravity don't change.
By gravitational pull of earth we studied that layers of gas in our atmosphere is by its atomic or mass of element, where at present hydrogen is the lightest,and gas which is much greater than hydrogen mass touches ground of earth.
Layers of mass and energy in outer space also behave as this.
The reason why inner radiation belt of our earth contain mostly of proton while outer radiation belt is electron,is because that outer space is by layers of energy,the farthest energy is .0000001 energy unit.
No wonder why speed of light travels faster at the edge of universe,since energy in outer space is its medium, verified by difference of light speed in air compare to light speed in vacuum.
Gravity of earth is collection of .0000054 energy released by sun in form of solar radiation,this results orbiting of earth since orbital radius is dictated by variation of energy divided by velocity of energy in form of light from sun in sympathy with individual gravitational absorption of each planet.
Therefore what makes light speeding up is by itself,and by traveling in the medium of energy present in space. Since everything that occupy space on earth is matter but in outer space occupied space is energy.

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If reincarnation is true, does it mean that people of past devided their soul(spirit) for the people of present?

today's population is greater than time of Jesus here on earth. much even more B.C.
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Royam1002
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First of all I want to thank you for the courtesy of responding to my feeble attempts to understand things that are way beyond my understanding. Saying that let me further explain that I do not blindly believe many of the scientific worlds explanations of why things are the way they are. I believe sometimes they are credited with kudos because no one has been able to prove or disprove their theories or formulas. I love analogies and I am referring to the old AF airplane the C-124. Common gossip was that on paper it would have been impossible to fly. But then again the same has been said about the bumblebee. The obvious question is why did they build it in the first place if they didn't believe it would fly. But it did fly for many years and served the AF well. In my opinion a lot of the scientific world survives under an umbrella of: unless you can prove me wrong then I must be right. This is not a court of law where you have the right to presume innocence unless proven guilty. And even then a verdict of guilt is not impervious to error since it depends on the human factors of evidence interpreted by attorneys, judges and juries. A lot of people believe that the abilities of technology can conquer physics, I don't. I also believe the human mind will never evolve to a point that it will either.
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Volcilord
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Reincarnation is much more likely than science fiction time travel. One case Buddhism tries to correct mistakes in the past. The other case which is time meddling does not exist.
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You are right
On my part,being human i believe that not everything can be explain nor be put on equation,but why did big bang is being teach to school? even its word of explanation did not even compressed to a single equation.
Words from tongue of mankind is governed by hearth where it originate to speak out.
My words of explanation came from my heart,but how i thought about it is something unexplained.
Equations are for the future while explanation is for the present.
Someday equation will either be proven or disprove, what ever the result will always be a matter of our limited understanding.
We have nowhere to go, i believe that universe is the core of heaven. And this just how i limit my mind.
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Royam1002
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It has often been said that science and religion cannot co-exist because many things in science contradict what is proclaimed as gospel in religion and religion proclaims many conclusions promoted by science as herasey and untrue. But in some ways they have many similarities, they both rely on the faith of their believers in order tp perpetuate their phi;osophies and beliefs. They both demand obedience and homage to man's interpretations of what tbey believed to be true because whomever is revered as the authority said it. The bible is a wonderful example, no one really knows what some individual said to himself when no one else was present and yet they are quoted. The bible is proclaimed as gospel and the word of G-d but there are many versions of the bible and each one is an interpretation or opinion of what some believe. I am always amazed and many times dismayed when at a disaster where thousands of people are killed, a survivor proclaims G-G was watching over them. If G-d was truly there watching and was the loving G-d our religious leaders proclaim, why did he allow so many to die horrible painful deaths? Why does he allow innocent children to suffer crippling illnesses and death. The answers are classic: G-d moves in mytereous ways, he had other plans. Whatever cannot be proven must be assepted on faith and by the way don't forget to drop your money in the dish. I believe in medical science because if I have a problem the doctor gives me medicine and the problem goes away. But when someone says someday we will travel to the stars and beyond, I say believe what you choose to believe but I personally don't believe it. I can be proven wrong if and when it happens but until it happens I am as right as they are.
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God owns time,by His love he share it trough creation. equation t = m e is time that deals mass and energy,so it is material time with an end, even all doctor are facing death and nothing escapes time. just like us since universe is the core of heaven this means, even we go from galaxy to galaxies still we are at the core. Nothing escapes from God.

equation of time is not mine cause even i were not created time will still exist without my presence cause the will is for GOD.

I must be thank full, even i'm poor, i exist to know God.
We have nothing to add or deduct from being of GOD even we don't believe in Him.

But time reminds us to consume our mass and energy in a way of facing the reality of God's promises. We cannot conserve time by our own, just like doctor having sick and death.
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Ya of course time travels possible... we just havent figured it out. It is said in many books of science that time travel is possible. If you really think, time travel would be like going through a black hole in outer space. You would enter a new demention and start a book of new time. We just havent accomplished it
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Human mind easily influenced by another human mind with highest thinking..We based on explanations with a given equation.

Lets consider e = mc square equation,if this equation was based from explosion or lets say propagation of light from center to edge.... then its form as equation never change,but the value changes, light speed is not the ultimate speed because it covers time... e = mc2 has different value from source to edge

Some says that by travelling in the speed of light time will stop, time will just stop after mass turned to energy and least particles,vacuum of space absorption of this particles and energy will take in no time consumption.
Time travel is going towards nothing but part of outer space that will be transmutable to mass and energy in no time.
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Volcilord
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By natural science of today it is easiest to explain the longevity of Adam and his descendants in the Book of Genesis, as Hindu holy men meditating on what they claim to be past lives. Hinduism was heavily influenced by adjacent ancient religions. Star Trek makes Dr. Spock like one of those Hindu holy men, and so does Dr Who as Dr Who.
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quantum
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Try reading about albert einstein discussion
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Royam1002
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Lets be honest about this, if anyone would say ; I'm from the future or I'm your great grandfather from 150 years ago, they would be in the nut house and nobody would believe them anyway. If someone wanted to jump into the future, how would they know where to go since they have no idea what the future was. If someone truly came from the future, he would spend all his time playing mega-ball since he would know the winning numbers.So if you really believe in "Time Travel", find someone who can actually prove they have done it.
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Time travel is a very long discussion like no time boundary.
How will anyone can travel to future if that future is really future,future means to come,how will it be if not yet present? it just like you are saying that you are travelling, going home until you wake up and yet you are home,a wild dream isn't it?

Also how to travel back in the past, if past was been replaced by present?
imagine if you were that person that have dreamed travelling home,it means that you're past was when you were dreaming. You may sleep again hoping to continue that dream..If you awake you are still with present time.

Past,present and future don't deal with each other they are separate in t=me governed by nature. Past and future are not present but they come and go so long as present has mass and energy,we hope for the future to come to step in present by our presence,so that future we been hope for had passed.

This may not sound so scientific but this one may be, you're dreamed time machine,imagine if some one built then Timmy wants to travel in future lets say on year 2050,will that machine have monitor to view where the location of earth in the universe on yr 2050? what about the location of earth from the past? will that machine can control earth to travel backward in its orbit? A waste time isn't it? If Timmy is in year 2050 right now,does it mean there are two separate earth right now?

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gratefuldennis
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This is interesting because esoterically if we consider consciousness instead of the thought action of the intellect it may be instantaneous. It is possible to be conscious of my finger and toe at the same time because it is connected as one. Like the movie 'Contact' she experienced a journey that to the outside observer was instantaneous. Also like in the movie nobody believed her.

Over a decade earlier I had an experience in meditation that was similar to many things in the movie that led me to ponder if Carl Sagan, who wrote the movie, had an experience like mine. I rarely discuss the experience for obvious reasons but I had it twice. The first time a journey was involved and the second time the same destination was instantaneous. I remained conscious of my physical self sitting during the experience which was like watching a movie in which I was taking part in real time. I haven't had this experience since but the idea of everything being connected has remained.

I have pondered that as the beings we are; we are still infants in our evolution and still require a womb of Mother Earth to exist. Even with space travel we need to bring an incubator with us for we cannot exist outside the womb. But who knows what our future evolution will bring when we no longer need our dense physical form.

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gratefuldennis
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Basically we are energy and you can't destroy energy. You only can transfer it from one source to another. I could spend a long time on that but I think it would divert from the topic.
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All colors of physical pigment blended together makes black. All colors of light blended together makes white. Our experience of time is directly related to the number of thoughts per second our physical brain is cognitive of. It is a very small number; 2, 3, or 4, in a normal state, but our brain is capable of well over a million. When a higher state is reached through chemicals or meditation it becomes a perception of white light. Likewise all the sounds in the universe blended together makes a sound vibration that is a continuous OM. At this point of consciousness time ceases to exist.

Time is an illusion and only a measurement of things moving of which nothing in the universe is still but the movement is done in the present, which is always changing. We measure this movement for duration, distance or speed and think in the dualistic terms of past and present when considering these measurements. We use our limited dualistic mind to define a reality in which the mind alone is incapable of perceiving.

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Along with member 185185 I have been commenting heavily on the Ultimate Fate of the Universe Forum. Computer simulations of dark matter stars, and the 1998 New Scientist article about the Big Rip theory for the ultimate fate of the universe,will thrive on discussions not directly about time travel, while time travel is the meat and drink of Dr Who, Orson Wells, and Star Trek.
Dualism needs a dark matter universe where earlier electron-based events can replay themselves with a lepton lighter than an electron, such as having dinosaurs not evolve into birds but into intelligent devils, even though birds can learn to speak English and have claws like fingers. Time travel apart from dualism is not possible. If the electron increases in rest mass since the Big Bang to explain red shift, a lighter lepton dark matter universe could have started as normal matter at the Big Bang and have evolved much more slowly, allowing time to seemingly reverse upon entry of that universe.
A lepton more massive than the electron would stabilize the heaviest elements so that matter on a planet would have Pu-244 usable on the surface as a geological clock, instead of an 82 million year half life for Pu-244. Stars would also be brighter per solar mass than what is observed by astronomy. Black holes would also be bigger as a slower transmission than the speed of light would use a lepton heavier than the electron. Gold to an Earth-based visual system would be greener than on Earth due to stronger chemical bonds. Stronger chemical bonds may even permit silicon-based life.
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Be aware of this equivalence
time = energy
So how can a mankind be transform it from a source to another? also how to destroy time as it is measurement by quantizing of mass and energy?
You said that we are energy,yes but owns physical being by t=me , only mass can be destroy but not energy since even mass is converted into energy.
Transferring of energy from one source to another is by energy equilibrium process,t=me governs, not our consciousness.
If energy of past was lacking,how to fill the required energy of present and future?
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Future is the difference of past and present letting earth absorbs .0000004 energy from its orbit at all t=me so the continuum of time exist like no boundary.

So means there are values of past, present and future because space is energy.
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Try natural experimental though
Speed of light from outside of our sense of vision(eyes) reaches lens of our eye in a split fraction of second like in very fixed time,but our brain analyzes object's color in a second.
This means that t=me outside is different in the inside of our brain,since what reacts in our brain to light are disturbed electrons.
Electron do posses much heavier weight than particles that do propagation of light.
Causing electron cannot be propagated in light speed at air density.

Your consciousness time together sound vibrations have caused individually in your own.
But reality tells us that we cannot escape time as we cannot set the sun in the west and as we cannot defy gravity by our consciousness.
If we as man can't do the escape,much more the things that has figures of senses but no feeling inside since don't poses hearth.
If during our sleep there comes great fire we can escape because of our senses, but graven images will never be.
Some images may escape if you carry out from fire,it may agree that you are god of your god.
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gratefuldennis
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You have made some interesting points. I have been reading them but haven't had time to respond properly. Maybe tomorrow I will have some time. It is a bit like string theory it can only be understood as an abstract concept because it can't as yet be observed in a lab. You have many points that I would like to comment on. :-)
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Volcilord
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The truth about the development of the nuclear bomb, and after bombing Japan General MacArthur called himself Shiva to the Japanese to force their surrender; is like Adam and Eve after tasting the forbidden fruit, nuclear physics has made man like (Hindu) gods, knowing both good and evil, and fearing for his life because of mutually assured destruction in warfare. At least the Russian Orthodox Church has softened the heart of Russia, and this is to the West better than time travel.
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You're welcome!

Light still will fall as strange concept,as man's technology may not attain measurement about least particles.
So the abstract concept may remain as valid temporal as our time is temporal,but about these things, really by spiritual means we may believe things that senses of vision cannot see,and will hold true about faith.
Therefore the substance of faith is not by eyes but by hearth and mind.
Like a sleeping baby carried by mother is equilibrium of faith,and like a bird that fall and fly from highest building, but not like a soldier who jumped from a plane that have no faith until parachute is not open.

I have post comments in how stuff works of google,about light and gravity,you're comments are welcome.
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This is all wrong! What part of E=MC2 do you not understand?

Ha ha ha! Just being funny. I don't understand the theory relativity myself! I just thought I would throw out an overused line in a forum where some people may "get" my joke.
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gratefuldennis
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The main problem with discussing something like time or anything else is that the brain or intellect can not be in the here and now; the present. The mind is like a computer in that it is programmed and has memory and it can calculate a future scenario. The mind creates the dualities and divides everything it perceives. It divides things like hot and cold. There is not line on a thermometer for to hot or to cold it is just one connected thing; temperature. Hot and cold may have some practical use in the physical world but it is still an illusion in that it is perceived as 2 things; hot and cold. But like it has been stated many times if the original premise is wrong then all that follows is equally wrong as well. When the brain divides the universe into pairs of opposites or dualities it can never arrive at truth; only a satisfactory illusion that seems to work for a while until a new illusion replaces it.

In order to glimpse reality one needs to go beyond mind. An example is a book by D.T. Suzuki called: “Zen—the doctrine of no-mind.” This is one of many methods to achieve consciousness beyond our intellect, which is in reality an aspect of our being, where things are perceived as connected, which isn’t the best term because connected implies that there can be disconnection, so maybe it is more apropos to say the oneness of all that is.

The aspect of our self that is beyond mind is a reality but it is not perceived by the mind and the ego in which it creates. The ego is an illusion but we make it real with the mind because before we are conscious of our total self we have a need to identify who we are and derive some reason for our existence. There has to be some purpose and understanding of our existence or else life seems empty so we need to create one. When the mind is governed by what is perceived and our emotional relation to it then who we are is generally related to material objects, feelings and what we think. Our true nature is not seen until we wake up. It is like a baby in the crib who is not conscious of even his physical body. One day he grabs his foot and he gets some kind curious experience with it. As time passes he has a deeper experience with it and a passing thought that this might be a part of himself. He is having a physical experience. He then wakes up and knows this foot as part of his being and will always be part of his being; he then had a physical awakening. This same thing happens when we have a spiritual awakening; we discover an aspect of our self that has always been there and is as much a part of who we are as the awareness of the foot was to the baby.

This consciousness of the higher self begins to be the governor of the mind which is the true purpose of the mind; to receive and transmit images of the soul or higher mind. The soul doesn’t remember in thoughts but rather in symbols and it is the bridge to a higher aspect of understanding known as group—consciousness. This is like plugging the computer into the World Wide Web, which is an interesting term in itself. Then the very limited personal computer can contact sources of knowledge beyond itself. This in turn brings one to the totality and oneness of all that is. In our evolutionary path like the butterfly we will transcend the need for our physical selves with all its limitations and be released from the womb and be free to be anywhere in the universe at will.

From the consciousness of being on planet earth when we are perceiving a star in its past from the time it takes its light to reach us then this illusion will appear that a being of consciousness that is able to make the journey instantly at will would be going to the future. But from the consciousness of the being making the trip it will appear that the illusion of time will have been transcended and he will only perceive everything in the internal now as is the reality. It is like an electron that is really everywhere at once but appears where the observer looks at it.

One major illusion is that there is a dichotomy between science and spiritual knowledge. Both are pursuing truth and both can raise consciousness. Form a flat earth to a world of 11 dimensions is pretty amazing as a journey of consciousness in such a short evolutionary period.
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gratefuldennis
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Now that is some honest humor. LOL I have always been envious of folks who could read mathematical language as simply as I could read a book, well some books anyway. My daughter can read a complicated physics equation as simply as I could read: See Dick run. Run Dick run.

I have always been good in math but it helps to go to school and not be a high school drop out. I always wanted to get to the interesting stuff without going through the boring stuff, but that doesn't work to well.
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185185
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Not every joke is applicable to every person in every time by not mentioning what for was your joke.

Saying all wrong then follows question for the part that are not understand,but in yourself relativity is something out from your knowledge. ha ha ! joke are all yours.
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Universe seemed to be unexplained by millions of word but equation fits until edge of it.
The question is what equation do fit?
Joke is not an equation like universe was created and not a joke like big bang,so if you believe in that bang then you belongs to a joke.
But your life is not a joke by existence in time,also if you believe that you are from monkey( by evolution),you really ugly as your manner is. Just joking.
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185185
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My explanation are so simple as my knowledge about english is limited but atleast many may understand. These holds true by simple equations as simple as of my knowledge but as high as my faith,Desciples of Jesus are all poor and not kings of nations. This proves the way of God and i am a man of no profit.

You may have read many books but did not ever content such like this saying about "g=me of life always involves t=me".
where (g) is gravity and (t) is time,equation made like a word and simply amazing,but what most amazing is by asking how and where do mass and energy originates? science may answer but can scientist create mass and energy out from nothing?
so equations are simple but physical and unseen reality are something mystery.
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185185
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Computers are good it composes hardware and software,it is something with an intangible and tangible things to work but is useless if without energy.
Like us,humans having physical body with energy, but if don't poses spirit then means that we are dead,like a computer,by having only hardware and energy is useless without software.

The question is where do computer belongs if not in work?
And where do humans belong if dead?

Only we can answer if we know both the finite and infinite time.

Then who knows?

WE have freewill to choose,there are so many religion but beware of false prophet and false belief.

To ask me where to belong, the bible is a good start
It is complete than dictionary as you may read the word heaven's quake in the future.
Then seek for true religion.
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False belief are something like big bang and evolution.

M=EC or M=EV equation can disprove big bang theory.
Its about the origen of mass, and conform to explain first page of Genesis in the bible.

The observe evolution about butterfly is true but not for all living things evolution may apply.
Butterfly evolve for the purpose of global t=me conservation,as butterflies are needed for pollination process.

I challenge themadzak if i were wrong
Equations are disproven by another equations
Show your equation that fits explaining nature
Also show me your real name as i did and don't hide behind your screen name.
We are not fighting here like pacman in boxing,we are here in the ring of truth.
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themadzak
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185185: First of all, I was just making a silly joke. So many forums have people saying, "What part of ________ do you not understand?" My joke is "What part of Einstein's Theory of Relativity do you not understand?" as if it is a concept that is simple to grasp. Get it?

I am a Christian and I do believe God created the universe, but I do not believe he intended us to take the description in Genesis literally. If you consider that a "day" in Genesis is a phase or an era instead of a literal 24 hour period then the Big Bang follows Creation.

True Christians do not fight science. True Christians embrace science.
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Science for degree purposes is limited to the speed of light. A Big Bang that slows the speed of light over time as the electron rest mass proportionally increases to evade modern day detection by measuring the distance to the Moon or to places on Earth, has room for faster than light by dark matter using a lepton less massive than the electron that at the time of the Big Bang was the electron. The nuclear reactor critical mass substituted for gold hoarding used by D&D type mythology may get to faster than light, but the need to throw out pure mythology for fiction writers instead to use, is absolutely essential here. Plant Venus is just too perfect for center of Earth style heaven and hell, since the Earth's atmosphere could float a blimp at atmospheric pressure and room temperature 35 miles above the surface of planet Venus.
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I don’t consider true belief of false belief, true prophets or false prophets or true and false anything. That is a duality of the mind and has nothing to do with truth. I don’t really believe in anything absolutely for I may change my mind tomorrow. I consider myself to be a seeker after truth and not one that possesses truth. The moment I think I have truth I closed myself off from any further and deeper understanding of truth.

Language is terribly inadequate for conveying truth because people hear according to their experiences with what is said. For instance the term ‘love’ said to a person who has just had his wife leave him will bring about an association with pain while the same term with someone who has just got married will bring about an association with joy. Both have noting to do with love because love is a state of being and not an emotion. Emotions are fear based that may manifest in many different ways such as anger or hate which is fear turned outward and self-pity and depression which is fear turned inward. Something like excitement or desire is seemingly pleasurable aspects of fear for those that have never experienced the freeing aspects of love with its joy and bliss.

The only language that transcends the dualities of the mind is mathematics as 2 + 2 = 4 regardless of any belief system your religion, politics, race, or social conditioning. Time travel may or may not be possible but as soon as we absolutely believe one way or another we will close or minds to any further possibly of discovering an answer, even if it leads to an awareness of something other than time travel. Often when pondering and investigating one thing I have receive an awareness of something unrelated to the original focus of my contemplation.

When I lose my wonder of the universe and all it contains life will become meaningless and the adventure will cease and I will become spiritually dead.

“There is no Religion higher than Truth”
—Sanskrit saying

Dennis
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gratefuldennis
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The example of the butterfly was an analogy of awareness. The caterpillar has no consciousness that he will someday be transformed into a butterfly. The caterpillar has a practical reason in nature for being a caterpillar but is limited in its movement and view of the world. Like the caterpillar we too have something within us that we are not aware of. When the caterpillar becomes the butterfly he can fly and travel great distances and have an entirely different view of the world as it had as a caterpillar. Like the caterpillar we also have this bulky dense physical form that is just a temporary home for something within us that will eventually not be needed and we will transcend time and space when our dense physical form in no longer needed to house that which is within us.

The analogy of the caterpillar and the butterfly I got from a Native American teaching.
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Back in 1991 at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC I saw a Tibet Buddhist scroll that for their illiterate was the Buddhist version of Dante's Divine Comedy. The righteous were judged and reincarnated as humans, as the wicked got reincarnated as insects. This would make a vampire as happy as a bug in a rug, as it as a mosquito gets to go out at night to feed on hapless campers.
The demonic version of out of a cocoon comes a butterfly, is to have a nuclear submarine the cocoon for a nuclear missile until the missile breaks free from the water to take to the sky. General MacArthur gets to call himself Shiva here. The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers cannot get a creature that is as large or as potentially destructive as a loaded nuclear submarine. The Russian Orthodox Church as done much to bring a halt to the Cold War, equal to time travel.
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gratefuldennis
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That is well and good but I don't see how any of that relates to my post. It is much simpler to just say you don't believe it is possible or you think it is worth contemplating. There are some things that one can experience but few are those that have the desire or willingness to go through the preparation and work for it. Such as string theory which takes years of sacrifice and study of mathematics which I do have the desire but have neither the time, money or ability to do so at my age. Some of those knowledgeable of the mathematical language so as to understand it my never see the proof in their lifetime.

There are myriad choices in the world to find isolated things to prove any point we want. There are Christian schools here that teach their children that the world is 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs never existed. Some people still believe the moon landing was faked and there still is a flat earth society.

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