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First we should going to the dark ages, and then into the XVII century, to learn the history of writing of the King James Bible published in 1611. And we won’t use the history of this world, but we use history, which “was recorded with the words” the Lord of thousands of years before those execution. We will “listen” to what us says the Author of the Scripture.
I want to draw attention; we will study not historical significance of the verses of Scripture, but the prophetic one. For example, to describe the time in which the Bible King James was written, Author of Scripture have used the events that took place in Jerusalem for more than 400 years before the birth of Jesus Christ. This is the time of construction of the house of God, when was found a fragment of the text, containing the command of Cyrus (Еzra.5:6).
Thus, the history of writing of the whole Bible, which includes all 66 books, is described even in the books of the Old Testament. The Scripture, long before 1611 year in detail spoke and continues to speak to people about writing a great Book - the King James Bible in one of his books of the Old Testament, written more than 400 years before the birth of Jesus Christ. This is the book of Ezra. The prophecy was given to more than 2000 years before the execution of the events. It is greatly! But people do not trust the Scripture; they do not see all these great prophecies. It is closed to them.
The Scripture describes the many obstacles in building the house of God, vividly shows us the history church of the firstborn, whole it earthly path, for two thousand years! In this period of time the Father God allowed unto Satan to show his power. And he actively prevented Christians in their ministry. It was in the first millennium (Еzra.4) after it had laid the foundations of the “house of God”, and in the second millennium, until the decree of “Darius the King” was issued. In such conditions, the “people of Israel” had no possibility to continue the construction of the “house of God”. It had the powerful resistance on the part of their enemies. All that was done, it only had been put the foundation of the “house of God” (Еzra.5:16), and the work in the first millennium was completely stopped.
We read (Еzra.4:24):

“Then ceased the work of the house of God which [is] at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia”.

Until, in the second millennium has been issued a decree “King Darius”, the gentiles in every way have weakened the hands of “the people of Israel”. They “hired counselors against them, to frustrate their purpose, all the days” (Еzra.4:5). They accused them, slandered them (Еzra.4:13-16) before the “King”, sending the report: “therefore have we sent and certified the king” (Еzra.4:14), we “certify the king” (Ezra.4:16). The inquisition is not done in this neglect and did not allow the “damage grow to the hurt of the kings" (Еzra.4:22). It “made them to cease by force and power” (Еzra.4:23) stopped the work those who did not wish to renounce the faith, and was faithful to Christ unto death:

“(of whom the world was not worthy:)they wandered in deserts, and [in] mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth” (Hebrews 11:38).

Scripture compares these millennia with the dark of night, starting the countdown years from no birth of Jesus Christ, but from death of his in the prophetic years. A night is the time when the power is of darkness and this power is most great in the middle of night. Not in vain those centuries in “the middle of the night,” called the dark ages. The dark ages ended, when there was a command “Darius’ King”, but the god of this world still manages with darkness, because he’s got the rod of the wicked and the scepter of the rulers. So now, it’s still dark, because the Heir yet “is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all” (Gal.4:1). But the morning is coming already.

So, in the first millennium could not be “the King’s commandment” for writing and publication of the complete Bible, consisting of the 66 books. “The King” gave command to stop the work. We read (Еzra.4:21):

“Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until [another] commandment shall be given from me”.

It had been a long time, and then came the second year that is the second millennium “King Darius the King”. Of course, the original text of the commandment of Cyrus, on the restoration of the house of God in Jerusalem, was lost.

“Then Darius the king made a decree, and search was made in the house of the rolls, where the treasures were laid up in Babylon.” (Еzra.6:1).

And one book was found, in which reference was at this decree and a small piece of text from it, with a note “For the memory”. Moreover, the scroll was found not where expected. On the basis of this short text of king Darius gave a new commandment. He as a matter of fact restored old, almost a lost definition about construction of a house of God in Jerusalem. Thus, the king’s will of king Cyrus was truly transferred to the new commandment of king Darius. Decree of King Cyrus was, how would rewritten again, because a fragment of the text of his commandments in the new content has been saved, moreover command has gained a new quality.
A saved piece of text of the commandment of King Cyrus, which was found in the palace shows us, prophetically, at the texts of the antiochian manuscripts. The fact is that the original manuscripts of the New Testament books, and even more so books of the Old Testament, never reached the period of the Reformation, but all of their texts were completely preserved in the antiochian manuscripts. On the basis of such manuscripts, of the numerous fragments of the text of Scripture the Bible of King Jacob was written. It contains the texts of these manuscripts. The antiochian manuscripts were miraculously saved, hidden to that time, by the Author of the Scriptures, as treasure (Еzra.6:1). The true treasures are no precious metals, no jewelers and no artistic value. If the real “king’s treasures” these are the separate books, chapters and verses of the word of God, what much wealth in the eyes of each person should be the Bible, written on the basis of the antiochian manuscripts, consisting of the 66 books.

By the way, is it possible to find in the Scripture confirmation of the fact that in the true Bible must be the 66 books? Of Course! In the first year of the reign of the English king James, the king James gave an order to start the work on the Bible. We read (Еzra.6:3):

“in the first year of Cyrus the king [the same] Cyrus the king made a decree [concerning] the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and let the foundations thereof be strongly laid; the height thereof threescore cubits, [and] the breadth thereof threescore cubits;”.

The height and width indicates on this the “volume” of the Book. Sixty to sixty cubits, prophetically are the 66 books. We read the commandment still:

“[With] three rows of great stones, and a row of new timber: and let the expenses be given out of the king’s house:” (Еzra.6:4).

The Bible includes the Old Testament consists “of great stones”, and the New Testament – “of new timber”. The Old Testament consists of three major sections: the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms. Jesus Himself has listed these three sections:

“…all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.” (Luke 24:44).
The scripture says that the king of England Jacob not only have granted permission, but yet also have financed all the costs of this work “out of the king’s house.”
The Scripture says that the king of England Jacob not only have granted permission, but yet also have financed all the costs of this work “out of the king’s house.”
And how to relate to other Bibles, which were translated and printed earlier than the Bible King James? For example, in the XVI century, only in English, there was several translations, among its: “ The Great Bible”, “The Geneva Bible”, “The Bible Bishops”. In the course of the Reformation was printed many protestant translations on the different languages. In respect of all of these works and its authors Scripture says:

“this work goeth fast on and prospereth in their hands.” (Еzra.5:8).

The work went so quickly and successfully, after so many years of “idle”, that governors “on this side the river” and “their companions” could not but ask a question: “Who hath commanded you to build this house, and to make up this wall?” (Еzra.5:3). On the basis of which the permission is all this “construction”?
And now pay attention to the essential distinction of the King James Bible from all another previously published. In the regulation of the translators of the King James Bible were all texts of the books of the Old Testament and the New Testament, recorded in the originals of the antiochian manuscripts. It is have been said: “and search was made” (Еzra.6:1), “And there was found” (Еzra.6:2). God himself gave instructions to find these texts, they specifically sought its and ones were found. These antiochian manuscripts are the foundation on whom "the house was built” in the SEVENTEENTH century. And here the translators of the other Bibles had not such manuscripts, its were hidden for them, and they used, mainly, the available translations for it,they used to what was “at hand”. The fact is, that the Roman Catholic Church “and their companions”, through the dark ages, have made great efforts for the destruction of the manuscripts that contained the word of God. It owners have died a martyr’s death, and manuscripts were being burnt at the stake. For Example, the Bible Luther, before his death, was published 13 times, and with each subsequent edition each time were the new fixes. And this process could go on to infinity, but errors in the translation would not be less, because the texts itselves, whom taken advantage translators, already contained errors. Perhaps these translations had been deliberately damaged, as all the Roman texts of the Vatican. It not difficult to guess, who was the author of those distortions.
As no deeply popular language is written the Luther's Bible, and as no great scholarship the author of the translation was, but his work was not inspired. And whom needs a house, which is built on the broken foundation, if there is a choice? This applies to all, without exception the Bibles, issued prior to 1611. The Scripture, in respect of the authors of all these translations, figuratively says: They were not forbidden to “build”, but also permission from “the King”, for carrying out of these works, it was not. But in that time their works were of great value. And in fact, if “the prophets of God” (Еzra.5:2) did not say prophetic speech "in the name of the God of Israel” (Еzra.5:1), show initiative to resume “construction”, then someone would become search “in the king’s treasure house” (Еzra.5:17)? I think, no. Their role and contribution to the “construction” are obvious. The beginning of the Reformation in the SIXTEENTH century was the beginning of a new period in the history of the “church of the firstborn”, it is the period “of the church in Philadelphia” (Revelation 3:7). It has kept the word of God in the international language of that time.
Thus, writing of the King James Bible was the expression of the “King’s will. “Only this translation was “sanctioned” from above. Only this translation is the word of God, saved correctly.
Bible King James called an Authorized translation. Any text can be authorized after a custom creative translation, when he acquires a new quality. This is clearly seen when comparing two texts: the text scroll (Еzra.6:2-5) and of the commandment of the king Darius (Еzra.6:2-12). If we could compare antiochian manuscripts to the Bible King James, we would have noticed the same difference. The translators have made in the text of the “own” significant adjustments, due to which the king James received how would the status of the author of this newly received text. But the translation may be called authorized, when it had been reviewed and had been approved by the author. And we now know that this translation have reviewed and approved by the Author of the Scriptures, and that means he really is the Bible of the King. And this King is the God of Heaven. The Scripture says:

“The words of the Lord are pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, o Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever” (Ps.11:7-8).

In the following centuries, since the time of writing the King James Bible, “this generation” has made repeated attempts to improve and to correct his text. XX century have distinguished especially in this. It makes the people, “that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness” (Rom.2:8). They will share the fate of the author of all distortions and falsifications. Look which terrible warning “King Darius” has completed his decree:

“Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this. And God that hath caused his name to dwell there destroy all kings and people, that shall put to their hand to alter [and] to destroy this house of God which [is] at Jerusalem. I Darius have made a decree; let it be done with speed.” (Еzra.6:11-12).

Prophetically, this is the witness of the Author of the Scriptures about each person, who changes to destroy the words of Scripture, “the words of the prophecy of this book” (Rev.22:18). The Commandment “King Darius” (Еzra.6:2-12), by prophecy, shows us on the text of the King James Bible. And that’s the last book of the Bible, the last her chapter, we read:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book” (Rev.22:18-19).

What says Scripture about the ministry of Jesus Christ in chapters of the book of Ezra (Еzra.4-7), which have we looks? Because we’re talking about a significant period of time in two thousand prophetical years and all this time, as it is known, he dwells with us.
In the beginning of the first millennium God the Father “gave permission to build this house of God” (Еzra.5:13).We read (Еzra.5:13-16):

“But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God. And the vessels also of gold and silver of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took out of the temple that was in Jerusalem, and brought them into the temple of Babylon, those did Cyrus the king take out of the temple of Babylon, and they were delivered unto one, whose name was Sheshbazzar, whom he had made governor; And said unto him, Take these vessels, go, carry them into the temple that is in Jerusalem, and let the house of God be builded in his place. Then came the same Sheshbazzar, and laid the foundation of the house of God which is in Jerusalem: and since that time even until now hath it been in building, and yet it is not finished.”

In the day of Pentecost 34 years Jesus Christ came to the earth by his spirit , he was appointed “governor”, not to be confused with “governor on this side the river”. He took the form of a servant, though he is Lord of all. In the first millennium, according to the will of the Father, he laid the foundation “of the house of God”. The books of the New Testament and the antiochian manuscripts were written. Look, how about this event, prophetically, the Scripture says:

“Then came the same Sheshbazzar, and laid the foundation of the house of God which is in Jerusalem”.

Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah, prophetically, is Jesus Christ. The books of the Old Testament and the New Testament, recorded in the antiochian manuscripts, had been scattered throughout the world, as the living word of the Living God. A solid foundation for the construction "of the house of God” was laid. After the Church had left first love (Revelation. 2:4). In the second millennium, Jesus Christ has inspired people to continue working again. They “rose up” “and began to build the house of God” (Еzra.5:2). He says:

“I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it” (Revelation 3:8).

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In 1612, construction was finished - fully finished writing the King James Bible. And here we stand at the threshold of the next events. The Scripture, prophetically, says to Jesus Christ:

“take these vessels, go, carry them into the temple that [is] in Jerusalem”.

Now soon the vessels “of the house of” God will be carrying in “the temple of Babylon” and its will be given to “governor”. Although, it is the earthen vessels, but soon they will be the gold ones. They are necessary “for the service of the house of” God (Еzra.7:19). Prophetically, what does it mean? In the sixth chapter the Scripture says about the beginning of the service in the house of God:

“And they set the priests...”
“as it is written in the book of Moses” (Еzra.6:18).

Behold means, about which vessels of the house of God the Scripture says us. The Temple in Jerusalem or the house of God, where will soon be put to the service of the priests, this is the heaven tabernacle. There already all is ready for the service of God. Soon he will take “these vessels" and will go and carry them into the “house“.
The 7th chapter begins with the tale of the Lord Jesus Christ, “after these things” (Еzra.7:1). After the term which the Father appointed (Gal.4:1-2), and this is the fiftieth year of jubilee, the Son will not be subjected to the “tutors and governors”. And therefore the "King" will give him of all for the desire of his (Еzra.7:6).

“This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.” (Еzra.7:6).

The Lord Jesus Christ will come to Jerusalem to “teach in Israel statutes and judgments” (Еzra.7:10). This will be his second explicit coming.

“And he came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which was in the seventh year of the king” (Еzra.7:8).

From this moment begin to act the Constitution of the King – “laws of God”. God the Father says to the Son. We read prophetically:

“And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not. And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.” (Еzra.7:25-26).

The scripture says that the “house of God” build “the prophets of God” (Еzra.5:2). And that’s when the “house” was built the “builders” remained “without work”. Since then, it took four hundred the prophetical years, and all this time they were not in demand. This means that from 1612 any further revelation from God, through of the “prophets of God”, ceased. None of the new Bible can’t be inspired, and all the existing translations must be adjusted to an Authorized translation. This time, on the eve of the secret coming of Jesus Christ, they called a time of silence. It there was four hundred prophets years and was given to the false prophets. Them had given time to speak, as it was on the eve of his birth. Four hundred years had past since the moment when the canon of the Old Testament had been written before he was born, and during all that time were written only the apocrypha of the Old Testament. These fake books, “added” in the canon of the Old Testament, have the goal to change "to destroy" “the words of the prophecy of this book” (Revelation.22:18). It means that each author of these books will be hanged “and let his house be made a dunghill for this” (Еzra.6:11-12), “God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city” (Rev.22:19)
Each book of the Bible, prophetically, indicates a certain period of time in the history of salvation, and therefore the location of the books in the Bible is very important. *To change the order of the books in the sections of the Old Testament or to change the order of the books in the New Testament it is the same, that to change “to destroy” the words of Scripture. *God keeps his word, and this applies in full measure to the order of the books of the Scriptures. If, for example, the books of the Old Testament to arrange in a random order, or even if it is a little to change the order of the books, so that it will be different from the canonical, and then it will be impossible to “see” those prophecies about whom it is said to here. A special procedure for the book shows us the chronology of the past, present and future events. And if a connection has been lost between the books, we get confusion in chronology of events. We will not be able to understand the Author of Scripture.

For example, in the New Testament of the synodal editions, the group of books stands not in its place. This is the general epistles. If we read the chronology of the events, proceeding out of such an arrangement of the books “to destroy”, and the spiritual birth of Israel and the beginning of his ministry was to come to pass after the death of Jesus Christ. Behold, look, the Scripture speaks on behalf of Israel: “ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting” (James 1:1). With this appeal begins the book “James”, which is located after of the book of Acts of the Apostles. One must understand the times of the gentiles were fulfilled and, lo, God said to the people of Israel – “rejoice”. This is after Jesus endured the penalty has not yet been built a “wall of Jerusalem”, was not built the “house of God”, not even laid the “foundation”, as the people of Israel turns out, is already spiritually born and began to serve? Not too early? And when in the book the epistle of "Jude” we “hear” the last exhortation to the people, before then the “heavens and earth will pass away", following of it book, using common sense, should be the last Book of judgments. But instead it follows Paul's epistles to the seven churches. With this arrangement books the whole chronology of events violated.
So, the epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude can't have place in front of Paul's epistles. At first "the sufferings of Christ" - more than two thousand of the prophetic years, and then "the glory that should follow"-- the 1000 anniversary of the world (1Pet.1:11). As you see, the location of the books of the New Testament, in the canonical edition of 1876, is not true. The order of the books of the Bible, of any publication and in any language must correspond to the order of the books of the perfect Bible 1611, if, of course, it really is the Bible, not the garbage.
As well as the Old Testament, in the books of the New Testament are types, which, prophetically, prove its divine inspiration, confirms the fact is the Bible King James is the word of God. The completion of the writing of the King James Bible could not be implemented by “default”, without the prophecies about this event in the Scripture, it is unthinkable. We will consider and investigate these types.
Our “age” of the church in Christ Jesus “comes” not only under the number "7"-- “the seven churches” (Revelation.1:20), the epistle of Paul to the seven churches, but also under the number "5". Why is it so? Because the number of five, according to biblical numerology, means death. We, that is all those who are in Christ, “also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ” (Rom.7:4). We read (John.19:23-24):
“Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.”
And fulfilling the prophecy: “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.” (Ps.22:18). The four parts of his shlit clothes were as equivalent to each another, and now the coat was not a “patchwork”, he was “without seam”. The coat was made, as a single whole, without seams, it was not subject to any division.

This “formula” (4 + 1), characterizes the whole period of formation, “the edifying of the body of Christ” (Eph.4:12). The word of God, by prophecy, shows us that, firstly, the period of the Church in Christ Jesus is divided into five parts. Four of which and one the last part forms two qualitatively different period of time. Four of which and one the last part forms two qualitatively different period of time. Secondly, there is a certain date, the event, which separates one period of time from the other. And thirdly, there are only three equal in importance the events, related to the period of the Church in Christ Jesus:

1. The beginning of formation of the Church in Jesus Christ is the day of Pentecost in the 34th year.

2. The Rapture of the Church which is taking it from the earth.

3. And the third event, determining of which we will do.

The ratio, of these two periods of time, can be represented as (4/5+1/5). The desired date is on the day of Pentecost of the 34th years, with the interval of time (4/5∙2000) of the prophetic years. The fifth part of the whole period of the Church in Christ Jesus (1/5∙ 2000), is the four hundred prophets of years, it has 144 000 prophetic days.

400 ∙ 360 = 144 000 the prophetic days;

Four fifths of the total period of the Church in Christ Jesus (4/5∙ 2000), are 1600 prophetic years, it is 576 000 prophetic days.

1600 ∙ 360 = 576 000 prophetic days;

Of transforming 576 000 prophetic days of the solar year, as we did before, we get:

= 1577 years and 0.75 day;

This period of time has passed from the day of Pentecost 34 years, until we sought events. And then, I put together these 34 years and 1577 years, we get:

34 + 1577 = 1611

This year, as it is known, is the year in which it has finished writing the King James Bible. The event, 1611, thus, there is on the importance, in the “one number”, between such two events, as the day of Pentecost of the 34th years, and the rapture of the Church. We can boldly say the Bible King James is the Word of God, because it writing have completed in 1611.
The scripture says (Lev.23:10-11):

“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.”

The heave-offering of first sheaf of the harvest, according to the ceremonial law, is the prototype of the future event -- of the rapture of the Church and not only. The heave-offering of first sheaf of the harvest in the 34th year figuratively can be regarded as the beginning of a new period of time – “salvation is come unto the Gentiles” (Rom.11:11), and the period of time until the day of Pentecost of the 34th years we must consider in the time scale of two millennia.
Three significant events of this time interval show us the relationship of the three events of the period of the Church of the firstborn.
From the day of the ascent of the Christ in the sky until the day of Pentecost, it was exactly ten days. Note that here the same “formula” (4 + 1), FORTY days plus TEN days.
Counted from Sunday, the first day of the “wave sheaf” harvest “seven weeks”, the first day of the next “after the seventh week”, will be again the same day of the week is Sunday.
So, three of the following events:

1. The day of the heave-offering of the first sheaf of the harvest of the 34th of the year (Sunday);

2. The ascension of Jesus Christ (Thursday);

3. The day of Pentecost of the 34th of the year (Sunday);

prophetically, interconnected, here is the “formula “ (4 + 1). These events and the time interval between its (Acts 1), prophetically, indicate to us the three significant events of the Church of the firstborn.
If we examine the interval of time in 1577 solar years in respect of the multiplicity him to 19 year cycle, we get the following:

1577:19=83 (full, 19 years cycles);

According to the modern calculated Hebrew calendar the 34 year and 1611th have the same phase 19 years cycle. This means that if we count down the time interval 1577 solar years from the day of Pentecost of the 34th year, we get the same calendar day and in 1611. It corresponds to the calendar day of Pentecost of the 34th year, according to the Julian calendar, and with a high degree of probability to the modern Jewish calendar too. Draw your own conclusions.
Bible King James 1611 was written under the supernatural control of the Holy Spirit, this translation is inspired, and this translation is the preserved word of God.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Ps.12:6-7).

If any person believes that the Bible King James contradictory and contains errors, that his faith is like the faith, as if denying the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and as if recognizing the righteousness of Christ, stained by sin.

We read (Act.21:8-11):

“And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.”

Here, prophetically, the seven deacons are the “seven churches” it is our whole period of the Church in Christ Jesus. And once again we see the same “formula” (4 + 1), we have, on the one hand – “virgins, which did prophesy”, and on the other, the husband who was the prophet.
Notice how, after the words “four daughters” it had been said: “we tarried there many days”, these words have been said about the whole period of time, up to 1600 prophetic years, and here it is: “there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus,” and that prophet said on behalf of the Holy Spirit: “Thus saith the Holy Ghost”. These “four daughters, virgins” were absolutely equal among themselves, according to the ability to prophesy, and their ability in this case were fairly modest, compared with the fifth which is the prophet. The husband always has the leading role. The husband is the head, and the woman was created for Adam, for help him. So and copies of the originals, of the antiochian manuscripts, “virgins, which did prophesy,” were, as if only to help for writing a complete unified indivisible Book of all books, the King James Bible of 1611, under supernatural control of the Holy Spirit.
And behold in 1611, the translation of the Bible was completed. The appearance of this Book, without exaggeration, by it significance can be compared with the coming of Jesus Christ. The difference is only in the fact that Jesus Christ is the incarnate Word of God (Rev.19:13), but the Bible is no incarnate word of God (Ps.138:2).
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I cannot understand why you are using a whole lot of "Magic" numbers - you make it sound like witchcraft or Devil Worship !

Surely the King James Bible can stand in it's own Glory , as a carefully prepared translation carried out by Scholars - who produced a Work of Art [in it's language , with many impressive, poetic, rolling prhases]
It does not NEED any hocus-pocus .
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I already told you in another thread, that the Bible is a closed book for the unbelievers.
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Puckish
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Ah - you make the Bible seem Exclusive - like allowing membership only to a Rich Man's Club !

This goes completely AGAINST the Spirit of the King James Bible, which was carried out as one of the first to bring the BIBLE to ALL in English [it had previously been Exclusive - excluding those who could not understand Latin or Greek] Remember that when Wycliffe translated the bible into English, the Pope was angry - indeed 44 years after his death, Wycliffe's bones were dug up and ground into dust, by order of the Pope.
Now it was to be open to ALL for people to read for themselves , in a careful, accurate translation.

Do you perhaps belong to a distinct Sect which looks for "Magic" in the Bible - to make it once again hidden from ordinary folk , which was the aim of the St James Bible ?
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Konstantin
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I already said the Bible is opening to any person seeker of truth.
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Puckish
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Does that GOOD_LIVING Afgahn woman , scratching living all her life have time to "search after truth" ?
What does God think of her efforts ?
Should she abandon her Family and try to get into Oxford University ! ? Haha
of course she may find that the best religion is the MILD Buddhism !
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Sunnis
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Isn't it enough that religous loonies knock on my door and disturb me on a regular basis without them invading the internet with their pious drivel? The KJB is a wonderful work of fiction from the superstious middle ages. Sponsered by a man (King James) who was anything but pious or even religous. His boyfriends could attest to that if they were still alive. The bible was constructed to enforce the divine rights of the king and James son Charles lost his head as a result of those supposed divine rights, cool. Pity the english didn't take an axe to the rest of the so called nobility and all the religous cults as well. Whoops thats right, the puritans were ultra religous and lost in the end when King Charles brother was reinstated on the throne, sigh, and the puritans fled to america to found the new england colonies, hence the tea party and the america religious loony right wing political partys.
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Konstantin
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This problem with knocking on your door is nothing in comparison with the one, which expects you in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15)
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Puckish
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Well, said, SUNNIS ; I had not thought of it from that angle.
My questioning of Christians tries to probe just how much "their God" is in fact "made in the image of Man" ?
ie their God is Exclusive, mean-minded, homphobic, Islamophobic etc etc - rather like a member of the EDL [Right-wing English Defence League].
"He" FAILS to be an all-seeing all-LOVING God - He is a God who lacks the "Milk of human Kindness"!
I ask them why I should revere a Bronze-Age "God" who encouraged the Ethnic Cleansing carried out by Abraham in the East Mediterranean hinterland - his destruction of an advanced Minoan civilisation - his Envy [Covetousness !] of the trade-based wealth of the inhabitants of a fertile vale.
I always ask them how much "their God" cares for a 15 year old Muslim girl who has died as a result of Gang-rape by Libyan soldiers ; will she go straight to Hell or to Heaven ?
They are unable to answer me using their own independent Brain or Conscience.
I pity these poor specimens of Humanity.
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Konstantin
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You need to add that God sent strong delusion unto people, "who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"(2Thess.2:12), "because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved"(2Tess.2:10), therefore "they should believe a lie"(2Thess.2:11).
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Puckish
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You see that SUNNIS ?

How such a Christian fails to answer my Questions about his God -
1) "Is your God Exclusive and mean-minded , or is He Loving of EVERY SINGLE CREATURE He has created?"

2) "How much does a Christian God care for a 15 year old Muslim girl who has died as a result of Gang-rape by Libyan soldiers ; will she go straight to Hell or to Heaven ?"

By the answer to this question we can judge whether the Christian God has, or has not, "the Milk of Human Kindness".
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Sunnis
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There is no lake of fire, its a myth that has existed in the imaginations of many religons over the millenia. There is no god other than the god created in the minds of men who aspired to political domination through religous orthodoxy.

Take Jewar for instance AKA Jehova, what a monsterous mysogenistic creature he is. Can you imagine the warped minds that thought him up? He is said to have commanded Abraham to take his son Issac up onto the mountain and butcher him in sacrifice.

He sent his own son to be tortured then nailed to a tree. What a loving father he is.

What a loving and caring god he was, I think not.

But most interesting of all is how he has evolved over time to reflect the various societys which worship him. He's not only a mysoginist but he's also a multi personality god.

He is worshiped by so many desperatly insecure individuals in so many different incarnations that he must have great difficulty keeping track of just who he actually is.

He is said to be all encompassing but all gods and all religons are exclusive. This is their attraction to the insecure and weak minded who need reassurance in life because they have nothing else.

Just consider the average catholic who has borne witness to the horrors of child rape and other abuses inflicted on innocents by the catholic clergy. They have seen tens of millions of dollars paid in compensation to the poor broken victims, whose lives were and are still being mutilated by 'gods clergy' yet they still remain faithful to the insane tyanical rule of the vatican dogma.

Just imagine, Archbishop Lane of Los Angels is living in the vatican in comfort and security. Protected by Pope Benidict, an ex nazi, and the College of Cardinals while the FBI want to arrest him for his decades of protecting priests who raped children, what a wonderful example of a priest of god.

And don't just think its the roman church that have destroyed so many live, its universal among the cults which make up the 'christan world'.

Our friend loves numbers chapters and such because it obscures the insanity and historical drivel potrayed of the bible and disguises his desire to become your teacher as he leads you deeper and deeper into the mysteries of his totally false beliefs.

Pity him, he's a victim. His life has been stolen by false teaching and he is unable to understand this has happened.

Its like the mormon elders wearing their sacred underwear, they actally say god commands them to do so.

My challenge to our deeply religious friend is to answer this question in his own words, not a biblical quote.

If his god was able to make this incredible universe, the incredible bio system which is the earth and then create man. If he was able to do all these wonderous things how could he be the small minded, racist, homophobic, anti feminist, violent monster the relegous cults and bible describe him as being.

Sleep well my friends and remember, if god actually did exist'', SHE WOULD BE BLACK.
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Sunnis
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Dear Puckish,

christans don't care about a muslim girl nor any person not under their spell. There is no profit in a mother scratching a living from the soil to feed her children or a poor girl gang raped and dead.

There is simply no profit in such victims.

You cannot build grand temples without a constant vast income.

You cannot wear expensive, exclusive robes or sacred underwear without vast incomes.

You cannot weild enormous politcal power without unlimited amounts of money.

The christan cults are all about money and power. There is nothing of compassion or love in any of their dogmas.
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Konstantin
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You can add to it, that God corrupts the minds of the people, "who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"(2Thess.2:12). These people "of corrupt minds"(2Tim.3:8) will spend eternity in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15), where "their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched"(Mark.9:48). These are "cursed children"(2Pet.2:14).
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The premise for the Bible (as Christians use it) is a combination of the Hebrew Torah (O/T) and the teachings from Jesus of Nazareth (as reported by His disciples).

The Hebrew Torah and Christian Bible view mankind's beginnings to include an event where mankind sinned, in God's eyes. It was manifested as disobedience to a command regarding a simple concept. Man was designed with the ability to choose between obedience and disobedience, using his intellect to reason thought into action/communication. The disobedience tends toward self-centered activity, and obedience tends toward God-centered activity. Since God prefers the latter, but mankind preferred the former, there is a disconnect.

According to Hebrew and Christian beliefs, those who seek God honestly are invited to participate in a mending of that relationship.

What answers do you to expect to elicit for your questions?

Since man tends toward self-centered activity, your first question's bias is that the Afghan woman is capble of "good living". Are you assuming her to be atheist or moslem? Either operate under pretenses which do not include the life rules handed to the Hebrews, i.e. Commandments, which Christians also recognize.

Atheists operate on relativistic value systems (which morph, when convenient). Only an absolute set of reference points will permit mankind to draw together into a stable social environment - it is counter-social to think relativistically on morals... While moslem precepts drew on the Ishmael vs. Isaac contention for the right to be Patriarch of Abraham's decendents. Whatever Hebrews are "for", moslems will be "against". This is a fundamental clash of non-negotiable moral values. It will never be resolved to the satisfaction of both groups. Moslems are also the youngest of the main three monotheistic religions, all teachings stemming from a single prophet. This doesn't recommend it for successful comparison with any other messages.

If you maintain that her "good living" is based upon moral rules provided by God, then she's favored (even under tough living conditions in this temporal life).

I don't think that Truth (to which only God would have copyright) is necessarily available at Oxford University.

Buddhism is a mankind-centered effort to change state from the current to something "more perfect". Mankind cannot bridge the gap between them and God, because of the sinful condition. Only God (through mercy and grace) can reach down to resolve their differences.
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