I have heard that muslim [islam] and christians are nearly all alike. Is it true or false? Give me points!

The only similarity is in the idea of a monotheistic god. However, there is a subtle and distinct difference here. Christians believe that Jesus is God and therefore has fulfilled the entirety of the messianic role as stated in Isaiah 53. Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet in a line of prophets and was neither God nor the fulfillment of the Messiah, as Muhammad is believed to be. The final fulfillment of God's message to mankind therefore can only be found in the Koran as it is seen as transcendent in form and uncorrupted in its text which was delivered to Muhammad by God himself. The idea that Jesus had not finished what God intended for mankind to know and was given to Muhammad to complete is nothing more than another form of Gnosticism which influenced Muhummad to create this false doctrine.
Mike

Which doctrine do you mean and call a false doctrine?

And another thing! I think christianity has been corrupted[sorry if i am rude but it is a discussion] ! Christianity is a leading monotheistic religion. Then what is the point of worshipping JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT as gods? And the process of worshipping jesus is kinda 'idol PUJA(=worshipping)'!

What do you think?

I commend you for being brave enough to venture into this Christian forum. However, it should be noted that not everyone is aware of how abrasive Muslim theology is toward Christian doctrine. This doctrine has its roots in a segregagtionst theology as if somehow Muhammad has come along with the final word of God concerning salvation. As I stated before, this doctrine has Gnostic influence and it comes with part and parcel of similar heresies during that period of time. In order for Muslims to be right about what they believe they need to insist that Jesus neither finished what he came to do and was not God incarnate. This is indeed a Gnostic influence, as Gnostics could not believe that god could become a human being. If one looks closely at this idea one will discover it has it roots in Platonic theology. This is just one Gnostic parallel that shows how Muhammad corrupted the truth about Jesus. There are many statements in the Koran and in its theology that show obvious mistakes and false claims that should not be taken seriously. I believe it to be a cult and as such it does follow other cults in falsely claiming the basic truths of Christianity to be corrupted by documents that have over time become corrupted. These documents, which they call forgeries, are no less than the New and Old testament documents that are part of the accepted cannon of scripture as follow by mainstream Christianity! What is really incredulous is the fact the Koran endorses these so called forgeries!!

Here is an example of how Muslims make incoherent statements about Jesus that really make no sense to the rational mind>
The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place; therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. My question is: how can you escape the fact that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of Allah?
Mike

I am constantly struck by the inability of Muslims' to grasp the concept of Christ.

Christ was God living as a man, dying as a man.
The Holy Spirit is God's love and God's wrath which are part of, but separate from, God. Christians are humble before God but we are also calm before Him. We don't fear Him the way you fear Allah because of the lesson God gave us when He came to live among us as Christ.
Terrible things were done to Christ. He was betrayed. He was tortured. He was killed and He went to hell.
Christ was not a ONLY a man. He was the embodiment of God. So, what Christ suffered at our hands, so did God.
and We are forgiven even for that.

God and Allah are not the same thing. Muhammad was just a man. Christ was more than a man. He was not Chosen...He WAS God.

Dawn

...'when he came to live among us as christ'... 'He' means god. Then do you mean god came among us to live ap christ? Do you mean christ was none but GOD HIMSELF? Then why did jesus(peace be upon him) claimed himself to be the son of god? He should have claimed: 'i am your god, worship me. ' but he didnot.
Muhammad(SAW) was a man, given birth by men, marrying human(woman), and gave birth to another human. (Yet he was gods best friend!) but how do you say jesus(pbuh) was more than a man? Were his mother, grand parents not men?

Oh brother i am much interested in religionistic matters. Ok i think your answer is not appropriate for my question. I told you that you pray JEHOVA,CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT as a set of god(trinity). If your god is not unique(if 'they' are three), how can you say that christian is a monotheistic religion?

And i confess the rise of christianity to the largest religion of the world is the will of Allah. Because he helps them who helps themselves. Your missionaries have been trying to preach all over the world since the day of jesus(pbuh) . So they have been able to convert most pagan men into christianity. That's why christianity is the largest religion in the world now. But islam is the fastest growing religion in the world now. I think one such day will come when all people will claim themselves to be muslim.

And your example is not what you call it. Rather it is a matter of deep thinking. Allah didn't want his messiah to die in the hands of the disbelievers. So he did 'so'(as the KORAN says) in order that:
1. The cruel murderer think that jesus is no more and stop their oppression
2. To save jesus from being killed in the hands of the disbelievers. This shows that HE is all knower ,almighty and can do what the men even dream of.

Yes, Christ is God...that's the point.
He's not the EQUIVALENT of God...He IS God. How many times do we have to tell you that before you get it?

Why would Christ say that? Why would He demand to be worshiped? Do you think God requires worship to exist? You speak of God as if He was an idea, not a fact. What kind of faith do you actually have?
Do you have any or is it all just intellectual and reflex?

Dawn

Because you meant that god came to live among us but at that time his name was christ. Didn't u? It means christ was none other than god. Now u deny the fact and say that he's not the equivalent of god. So do you mean christ was an imperfect god? If so why do you worship him?
If god need not worshipping then why do you built a church and worship there.
I have a faith of just discussion. No anger no disregard. You know i have got christian friends. You are also my friend but i AM DISCUSSING WITH YOU.

My question to you is why should I believe the Koran is from God. Jesus obviously fulfilled the role of the messianic messenger. The following is an account of what happen in the Gospel of Luke when Jesus read chapter 61 of Isaiah.

In the Gospel of Luke 4:14-30, Jesus reads a text from Isaiah 61:1
1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
Because the LORD has anointed me
To preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
To proclaim freedom for the captives
And release from darkness for the prisoners, [a]
,
After reading the scripture, Jesus takes his seat. All eyes are upon him, waiting for his exposition of the text. Here is how Jesus’ sermon started: "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." The time that the faithful people of God have been waiting for has arrived. The time is now! What a statement! God’s salvation has now arrived! The blessings of God are being poured out on his people today!

To appreciate what is happening, it is useful to understand the synagogue service order. We have ancient Jewish sources like the Mishnah that tells us how synagogue services were run in ancient times. The congregation would recite Deuteronomy 6:4-9, which was called the Shema. The scripture begins, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." After reciting the Shema, they would share in prayer and singing songs. After the prayer and songs there was a reading from the Law of Moses and then a reading from the Prophets. Once the readings were completed, there would be an exposition of the text that usually would tie the readings together. The service closed with a benediction, the pronouncing of a blessing on the people.

Now we can understand what is going on here in Luke 4. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah is given to Jesus. We are in the part of the synagogue service where the prophets were read. Jesus opens the scroll to Isaiah 61. This passage in Isaiah was predicting the coming of the Messiah, who would bring salvation to the nation. The figure of Isaiah brings a message of God’s deliverance to the exiles. The Spirit of the Lord being upon this Messianic figure means that he would be God’s designated servant with a special task given by God. The Messiah was not going to be a self-proclaimed messiah, but one designated by God.

This sermon leads the people to a conflict. The people are amazed at his gracious words, but they are troubled because they know who Jesus is. Jesus is in Nazareth. They know his parents and they watched Jesus grow up. Jesus has now placed upon himself the Isaiah 61 scripture, declaring himself to be the prophesied servant that Isaiah spoke about. The people are thinking, "Wait a minute! We know who you are. You can’t be the one! You are not messianic material!" Mark’s account records the words of the people. "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3). Essentially, "You cannot be the one! Your family is right here!" Luke shortens this thought process with the concise, "Is not this Joseph’s son?" So Jesus preached a good sermon, but they did not accept the point Jesus made. You see the people were willing to accept another prophet figure like Jesus who had been making a statement through his many miracles and signs. But when He made himself into the fulfillment of the Messianic messenger of Isaiah they just would not hear of it! Isn't this the same response you have toward Jesus!

God ended his message to mankind in Jesus. Jesus said that he had finished the work the Father gave him to do and on the cross just before he died he said it again, it is finished! Done! No more is necessary! All is fulfilled in Christ! There is no need of any other prophet! Muhammad is a false messiah prophet and is another in a long line of antichrists.

Your use of a post modern didactic when translating the bible that is totally without warrant. You also continue to make mistakes when you come to the bible and translate it literally in 21st century fashion, forming conclusions about statements that were not meant in the original texts. You are outside the mainstream of scholarly translation and therefore are unable to make sense of what the bible really is saying. You decide to call the bible into question when it disagrees with your theology and so make the bible fit you own ideology. In my opinion you are not being honest in your approach to seeing the truth. So you would rather be right and not know the truth!
Here is another example of your misuse of scripture.
Muslim's claim that Isaiah 42 is a prophecy of Muhammad. Yet Isaiah 53 is one of the foremost prophecies of the crucifixion of Christ in the entire Old Testament.

My question is: on what basis do you feel Isaiah 42 is uncorrupted which prophecies Muhammad, but Isaiah 53 is corrupted that prophesies the crucifixion of Christ?
Mike

I asked you about your opinion on the point that christianity is corrupted .now you dont answer it but ask me why you should believe that the koran is from allah. Ok i answer it. I am not a 'escapist' like you.
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proofs:
1. At the time of Muhammad SAW , EVERY BODY were anti god ( they even tortured Our Muhammad when he was trying to reveal the truth of god) . So no arab ( it should be an arab to write the quran in arabic) can be expected to compose the koran.
Muhammad (saw) was never taught of allah and also, he was illiterate who could not even read or write. Then where from has the holy quran come? Doesn't it prove that it is gods words?
2. Koran has full chapters on jesus and mary. If Muhammad saw was the composer of the quran, then he would not have failed to include in it with Mary, the mother of jesus, his own mother AMINA (or his daughter or his wife)
but they are absent in Quran. Then how do you think Quran is written by Muhammad?
3."behold, the angels said, ' o mary! God has chosen you and purified you- chosen you above the women of all nation': QURAN 3:42
CHOSEN you above the women of all nation: such an honour given to mary is absent even in the bible.if muhammad saw wrote the Al Quran, why should he have bestowed such an honour to marywoman from his opposition? Why didn't he bestowed such an honour to his own mother? Or his daughter or wife or any arab woman who were famous?
Because he had no choice,he had no right to speak of his own desire! " it was no less then an inspiration sent down to him"(53:4)
4. If you still disbelieve that Quran is not gods word but man-made, then(as you are also an intelligent man,) i challenge you TO COMPOSE TEN VERSES LIKE THAT OF THE GREATEST AND THE HOLIEST QURAN. If you cannot , then , i will assume that YOU HAVE BELIEVED THE FACT THAT THE QURAN IS GODS WORDS !
Do not question me back! Reply with your composition or stop !

You both argue books...how foolish

why argue when you can spend your time contemplating the perfection of God and, while doing so, live in Light? These words are arrows you fling at each other, trying to wound. Do you think about how words wound and where? They are not mere letters of blood, they carve the soul of your enemy. Hateful words are worse than bombs.
Can you not see that in arguing about God, you live outside His Light? By trying to prove who is holier, you become a thing unholy?
the bottom line for both of you is that God IS. He is not limited to one book, one name, one 'faith'...if it is good...it is God. If it is NOT good...then turn from it, it is not God. Rise above the chaos and noise to find truth and peace. THAT is where you find God.

It must be that our words mean something! We tell each other our stories and others listen. God sent his son to proclaim a message of salvation and expects fidelity of the listener. That message must be received with faith if it is to have any effect. . Now Jesus himself said that the father seeks those who will worship him in spirit and in truth, porclaiming that the word of God is truth. He asked the father to sanctify us through this truth. In another place Jesus said, “ If you continue in my word you shall be my disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. Listen to this statement from Jesus , “If you love me keep my commandments”. He did not say, If you love me have faith in me. Whe people say they believe in Jesus and keep not his commandments they lie against the truth . Do you think god will hold him guiltless who who takes his name in vain! God knows those who are his and he knows those who honor him with their mouths but their hearts are far from him. Again Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for my sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
Who am I to argue with the words of Jesus? He constantly argued with the religious leaders of his day trying to convince them of the truth so was he wrong in this approach? I will not go there and fault him. I will, however, say it is not easy going when preaching the good news as we fight a battle not only against flesh and blood but also against spiritual wickedness. So you are sensing this battle and you are worried that we may be missing the truth. But I would only agree with this to a certain extent. If I say nothing at all then I would be worried that I would never disagree with anyone. You may say that I need to tolerate others and I would agree but if you understand toleration in its defined form you will see it means to stand in tension and disagreement with another not in pampering them with patronizing words. I believe we must speak the truth and sometimes you must stand in disagreement with those who would pervert the truth. This is not an unusual thing when we speak the truth. Christ himself said this when His apostles accused Jesus of hurting the feelings of the religious rulers of His day. What he said in response to His apostles may astonish you. He said, “ Do not worry about them, every plant that My Father has not planted He will pluck up and cast into the fire!”… Matthew 15:12
The truth that you speak of is that God is Love but we must not forget that God will judge us all for what we say and what we do. We shall all stand before the Judgement seat of Christ!
If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? ... 1 Peter 4:18.
I am trying to convince people of the truth not because I hate them but because I want them to be saved! Why would I waste my time if I did not believe that we must redeem the time while it is yet day for the night comes soon! …Ephesians 5:16
If you see someone that is heading in the wrong direction and do not warn them then you are not part of the answer, you are part of the problem!
Mike

You really don't hear yourself do you...
Look, God didn't write anything, a man or men did and we all know that what comes from us is imperfect thus, anything we write about God is imperfect no matter how much we like it.

I was religious for years. I thought I was behaving as God wanted me too. But, for all that...piousness, I didn't get it and now that I do, I can't explain it.

Dawn,
I can be arrogant and as such I must be aware of my calling to the gospel. We must be harmless as doves and wise as serpents. I do bend the rules at times and it is only because I am passionate about what I believe. However, I take to extremes at times so I am surely at fault. This is something I have been thinking about on and off for some time now as I see how these forums allow people to become anonymous and take liberty with in this kind of shelter. I must work on this part of my communication and so I take what you say seriously and will redouble my efforts not to denigrate as I communicate. Thanks for your input on this.
Now concerning your thoughts on the imperfection of men and what they write. I am aware of those vehicles, which God used in the formation of the written word, and how it is through the hands of imperfect men. But when it comes to the written form of the revelation of God one must think hard about what these old and New Testament documents represent. They deal with the history of God working in the lives of real people for a specific purpose. That purpose was intentional before the creation of the universe. Before time was created and there was any matter or atomic structures that represent the known cosmos. Before any of these things there was in the mind of God an idea that he would bring to fruition. How he was going to do that is subtle in its outline in the Old Testament and then clearly revealed in the New Testament. See Col 1:25-26 how was he going to bring about this revelation of himself to the world was surely by a miraculous event. That event was an act of grace which when defined in the person and work of Christ signifies the Love that God has for us. His nature is Love. All other attributes follow this lead and bend their knees in subservience to it. That’s right god is sovereign but in subservience to Love. Pick any of his attributes you like and biblically it can be shown that they play a secondary role to God's nature, which is again, Love. But love is not to be misunderstood as God will not be mocked and demands fidelity like any relationship would require. Remain in Me Jesus said and I will remain in you. It takes two to tango! What is problematic about God is that in spite of his great love for us he is also not safe! See 2 Thessalonians 1:8 >In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: American King James Version According to all he intended to reveal to us he did so through people. That is his mode of operation. I guess he could have done it simple by revealing himself to us visually by appearing. But is this not what he did? And so how do we know anything about him if it is not by word of mouth and those early witnesses who wrote about him. This seems to be the way god wants it. I accept the mode of the writings and the witnesses of people throughout history and I believe that message. How would you know about him if not for these witnesses and documents? So what would you have us do throw out the documents? OK. Suppose I do that then does that make the message of salvation any different? I preach Christ crucified which is the power of God to them that believe. But to them that do not believe it is a stumbling block, an offensive message or it is foolishness and so not to be taken seriously. See 1 Cor 1:18,21-23 But to them that believe it is life eternal and liberty for the children of God.
So all I have said in the foregoing is not something that I personally have invented. For that matter none of the message of salvation that is contained in the old and new testaments was brought about by the will of men but rather by the will of God. These documents were written by men who were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. See 2 Peter 1:20-23 (New International Version) verse 20>Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
They may contain textual errors in grammar and may have some variance here or there but for the most part all of the thousands of manuscripts that we have today which span more that 1500 years which when examined together as they have been by many scholars, have as a single theme throughout them and it is that God sent his son into the world not to condemn it but to save it. That is the message I preach. What is your message? What do you preach? Where does your message originate and who is it author? Is it by your will or did it come about by the will of God? These questions carry serious consequences as the word of God spells it out in the book of revelation. Anyone who takes away from this word or adds to it will have his or her part in the lake of fire. See Rev. 22:18-20
This is why I am passionate and why I am at odds with any message that is not the true gospel. See Gal 1:6-9 I am ready to bring down anything that raises itself above the Message of Christ as contained in the gospels. See 2 Corinthians verse 10:5 >We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ ... It is clear that many are on the wrong road and I will do my best to point this out to them in hopes that they will come to their senses before it is too late.
Sincerely, Mike

Mike

God is.

God gave us Christ so we could understand some of His love, the part we need to understand while we are here. Sometimes I think He created us so He could seek out evil and destroy it. That is what His wrath is for.
God's wrath is never for us, it is for evil. Evil is greater than sin because sin can be forgiven and evil cannot. Sin allows evil a crack into a soul. Once a soul is taken by evil, it is lost to us. Evil cannot be changed or ended except by God.

many holy books and words warn us of how evil will do this and how it lurks in everyday things. It is like a poison that we cannot avoid, that builds up in the soul over time. It can be cleansed by prayer and God's help but it can also be masked behind good deeds and piousness. Deeds and church going and tithing and 'following rules' are not enough to cleanse evil and this is what has happened to the world.

Don't let evil make you harsh. The most insidious way evil works is to make those who fight evil become evil themselves by their anger and frustration. This is why I left the Islam forum. I spent sometime learning about Islam and I discovered a religion not of God but of one who is not God. It is evil. Not all the people who call themselves Muslim are evil, but they are highly contaminated. Some are evil.

I didn't mean to sound so harsh. I know you are a good man. You helped me when I needed it, more than you can know. Just, be careful Mike. I see you getting angry, sparring with them. That is the path you don't want to take. That is the path where evil will infect you and suck you in.
Dancing with Allah is a dangerous sport. Go with God my friend if you choose to partake.

Dawn

All I hear is complex rationalizations. Yes Jesus did live. Jesus was a Jew.Both Arabs and Jews are Semites whose origins came from the Akkdians who conqured the city state of Ur under Sargon the Great around 2300BCE. Abraham was a Semite and from him came both Jews and Arabs.By the time of Abraham Ur was in a state of decay and he found no reason to stay there.In a dream he was told to leave Ur and was told that his seed would create a new nation.He like other Semites absorbed the Sumerian culture and in Sumerian culture we can find our own cultural origins. So I have a lot more to study from a culture that existed some 6000 years ago. It requires a lot of research not just quotations from the Bible but also from the first Jew, Abraham

Woe to those who says blasphemous words to allah. However , they are nothing other than mad who tangos with the trinity god.
Lets see it.
god is made up of three parts. Jehova christ and the spirit. These are the three legs of a three legged chair. However all of them are supposedly one . If one part is seperated, other two cant work. So, when jesus was on the earth, when the spirit was somewhere else, jehova was helpless in the heaven. Thats why he couldn't save his own part and parcel christ, who took birth with dignity, from dying shamelessly. God couldn't do anything.
Then how can this god help us?
However this fact is refuted by saying that 'god lost his christ for our salvation'.
The question is , who did god lose his own part to if he is the lord of the whole universe?
Couldn't he have done something else for our salvation? Was it the only way for the god?

King James Bible
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
First Thessalonians 5:9

Muslims DO NOT worship the true trinune God because they do not know Jesus Christ. They are infidels,non belivers. islam is decendend from moon worship, while christianity is desended from jewdaism, the early islamic arabs derected ther prareys too the moon god allah, which muhhamed taught to get them to join his cult of terror.

We belive as christians that God is 3 in 1 and 1 in 3. Each devine being, father son and holy ghost is each entirly God yet eternaly united and One God 3 devine persons jesus christ is God, i have already proved Christ is God in the trinity forum, look it up, and you will understand what i mean.

Jesus Christ.