rocketgirl
My father and I have been discussing the interesting situation of Robert Welles(1484-1558) and the matter of how he ties into the Plantagenet line as well as the Welles line.
In the course of studying various available documents we noticed that Cecily of York was married to Ralph Scrope, younger brother to Thomas 6th Lord Scrope of Masham and Upsall, who served in the King’s household. This marriage took place between 1484 and 1485 and was annulled when Henry Tudor took the crown.
We found this information in a paper titled, ‘Not So Fortunate As Fair’: The Life of Princess Cecily Plantagenet-(which maybe accessed by following this link: www.iwhistory.com/Princess%20Cecily%20Plantagenet.doc) the unnamed author of this paper cites the source of this information as:
Horrox, Rosemary. Richard III. A Study in Service. (Cambridge, 1992) p.295.
The birth of Robert Welles- is commonly listed as 1484 or 1485. Robert Welles as has been noted in other posts here and by probably other frustrated researchers does not appear in accounts of Cecily of York and John de Welles' offspring. Nor is he acknowledged in John's will.
We would like to propose that it is possible that Robert Welles is in fact the product of Cecily of York's first (annulled) marriage to Ralph Scrope of Masham and Upsall. Perhaps, he was taken into John Welles home as an adopted son, receiving his name but not the benefits given to a blood heir.
Would anybody like to weigh in on this theory or help find documentation that might prove or disprove it?
In the course of studying various available documents we noticed that Cecily of York was married to Ralph Scrope, younger brother to Thomas 6th Lord Scrope of Masham and Upsall, who served in the King’s household. This marriage took place between 1484 and 1485 and was annulled when Henry Tudor took the crown.
We found this information in a paper titled, ‘Not So Fortunate As Fair’: The Life of Princess Cecily Plantagenet-(which maybe accessed by following this link: www.iwhistory.com/Princess%20Cecily%20Plantagenet.doc) the unnamed author of this paper cites the source of this information as:
Horrox, Rosemary. Richard III. A Study in Service. (Cambridge, 1992) p.295.
The birth of Robert Welles- is commonly listed as 1484 or 1485. Robert Welles as has been noted in other posts here and by probably other frustrated researchers does not appear in accounts of Cecily of York and John de Welles' offspring. Nor is he acknowledged in John's will.
We would like to propose that it is possible that Robert Welles is in fact the product of Cecily of York's first (annulled) marriage to Ralph Scrope of Masham and Upsall. Perhaps, he was taken into John Welles home as an adopted son, receiving his name but not the benefits given to a blood heir.
Would anybody like to weigh in on this theory or help find documentation that might prove or disprove it?