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Refuting Some Famous Hadiths About Jesus.
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Salaam. The Objective of this Topic is to cross-examine a few famous Hadith about Jesus second-coming and the appearance of someone called Dajjal..which are bones of contentions amongst different sects in Islam.

These Hadiths have been very well-pampared for centuries by the Majority of Muslims (Sunnis) and for a century by a minor group (Ahmedis).

Reminder:For new readers, I just want to write it again that The belief of second coming of Jesus a.s.is offensive to Quran...and has been debated in a Thread/Topic about it at this forum ,earlier..

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Narrated Abdullah

The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, Allah is not one eyed while Messsiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape. While sleeping near the Ka'ba last night, I saw in my dream a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, 'Who is this?' They replied, 'This is Jesus, son of Mary.' Behind him I saw a man whohad very curly hair and was blind in the right eye, resembling Ibn Qatan (i.e. an infidel) in appearance. He was placing his hands on theshoulders of a person while performing Tawaf around the Ka'ba. I asked, 'Who is this? 'They replied, 'The Masih, Ad-Dajjal.' "

Cross-Examination:

1- Allah is not one-eyed...Messiah Ad-Dajjal is blind in his right eye.....yet he also resembles Ibne Qatan ..a Kaafir (infidel)

v.funny...Dajjal compared to Allah?

..with respect to EYES....!!!!!!!!!!

He resembles a Man too..

2-Real Messiah--Jesus the son of Mary ...a brown man...

3- Both circling around Ka'bah...

4- The most important aspect..IT WAS JUST A DREAM...not a PROPHECY...or a REVELATION..

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I'm not good at interpretting dreams...lol..all I can say is...

According to the description one thing is clear..that Allah means something... ELSE...more than two Men on a'ride' around Kabah...( without buying tickets..)

which might be...

An affliction of Infidelity
Dajjalliat..Kufr....false religiousness....

in competition.... to real Islam ..United Religion..Kabah..

which might be 'helped'/'treated' with the help of some people of 'brown origin'...with the spirit of Allah..

just like..False Religiousness was treated by Jesus a.s. in his time...

"provided"..

the Hadith is TRUE...!

otherwise...do you think today any single, blind person..will be allowed to circle around kabah...followed by another brown man ...and will never be noticed for what on earth they are upto...?????????

and if..one can't be a 'man'...the other can't be a 'man' either...

will find some more later...



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Some more hadith:

Narrated Anas
The Prophet said, "Allah did not send any prophet but that he warned his nation of the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). He is one-eyed while yourLord is not one-eyed, The word 'Kafir' (unbeliever) is written betweenhis two eyes."

Narrated Ibn Umar
Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn youagainst him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."
Narrated Mus'ab

Sa'd used to recommend five (statements) and mentioned that the Prophet I used to recommend it. (It was) "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from miserliness; and seek refuge with You from cowardice; and seek refuge with You from being sent back to geriatric old age; and I seek refuge with You from the affliction of this world (i.e., the affliction of Ad-Dajjal etc.); and seek refuge with You from the punishment of the grave."

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba

Nobody asked the Prophet as many questions as I asked regarding Ad-Dajjal. The Prophet said to me, "What worries you about him?" I said, "Because the people say that he will have a mountain of bread and a river of water with him (i.e. he will have abundance of food andwater)" The Prophet said, "Nay, he is too mean to be allowed such a thing by Allah"' (but it is only to test mankind whether they believe in Allah or in Ad-Dajjal.)

Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "Shall I not tell you about the Dajjal a story of which no prophet told his nation? The Dajjall is one-eyed and will bring with him what will resemble Hell and Paradise, and what he will call Paradise will be actually Hell; so I warn you (against him) as Noah warned his
nation against him."


Narrated Ibn Umar

We were talking about Hajjat-ul-Wada, while the Prophet was amongst us. We did not know what Hajjat-ul-Wada' signified. The Prophet praised Allah and then mentioned Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal and described him extensively, saying, "Allah did not send any prophet but that prophet warned his nation of Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal. Noah and the prophets following him warned (their people) of him. He will appear amongst you(O Muhammad's followers), and if it happens that some of his qualities may be hidden from you, but your Lord's State is clear to you and not hidden from you. The Prophet said it thrice. Verily, your Lord is not blind in one eye, while he (i.e. Ad-Dajjal) is blind in the right eye which looks like a grape bulging out (of its cluster). [B]No doubt,! Allah has made your blood and your properties sacred to one another like the sanctity of this day of yours, in this town of yours, in thismonth of yours." The Prophet added: No doubt! Haven't I conveyed Allah's Message to you? " They replied, "Yes," The Prophet said thrice, "O Allah! Be witness for it." The Prophet added, "Woe to you!"(or said), "May Allah be merciful to you! Do not become infidels after me (i.e. my death) by cutting the necks (throats) of one another

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Before I crossexamine these Hadith I just want the reader to keep in mind this Important Fact:

REMEMBER:DAJJAL OR MASIH AD DAJJAL IS NOT 'MENTIONED' IN QURAN.KINDLY DO NOT MIX UP GOG AND AMGOG WITH DAJJAL.THANKS.

Points:

1- 'All' Prophets informed their people about Dajjal , not Muhammad s.a.w.only.

2-Dajjal is related to something related to 'INFIDELITY'(/False Religion)

3-Dajjal is related to something like DELUSION that makes you think what it's actually NOT...like FOOL'S PARADISE..
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Abu Hurayrah narrated: Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary [Jesus] descends among you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Point: THE 'CONCEPT' OF NEW JESUS/JESUS THE SON OF MAN...will refute the traditional beliefs of Christians and will revert them to the Ultimate LAW OF ALLAH, Law of Moses/Law of Muhammad.

Money =could be an access of information/knowledge/wisdom...etc!
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Narrated Anas bin Malik

Allah's Apostle said, "Ad-Dajjal will come to Medina and find the angels guarding it. If Allah will, neither Ad-Dajjal nor plague will be able to come near it."


Narrated Anas bin Malik

The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allahwill expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

Points:

1-Dajjal compared to a deadly disease...could be a deadly affliction dajjalism/Dajjaliat which can spread instantaneously like an epidemic.....False Religiousness Of The Divided Religion=Sectarian Islam...
a Fitna..or an AFFLICTION

2- Dajjal will not be able to enter Mecca and Medina...may be referring to the fact that Sectarian Islam will not be encouraged in these areas. Kabah will keep representing a UNITED MUSLIM INTEGRITY.

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Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle, (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of Religious scholars)(4) earthquakes will increase in number (5) time will pass quickly, (6) afflictions will appear, (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase, (8) till wealth will be in abundance ---- so abundant that awealthy person will worry lest nobody should accept his Zakat, and whenever he will present it to someone, that person (to whom it will be offered) will say, 'I am not in need of it, (9) till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings, (10) till a man when passing by a grave of someone will say, 'Would that I were inhis place (11) and till the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) init; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel(of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it."


Point: Signs of the END OF THE WORLD ..indeed...
Please notice ..this Hadith mentions 30 Dajjals.....!!!!!!!

Here it seems as if the term is referred to 30 False prophets.

I have no idea what is the actual count of the False Prophets...in Islam.

But one thing is obvious that Hadiths seem to contradict eachother and Quran of-course!
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Q : If Dajjal means a man to be killed by a Messiah then should there be 30 Messiahs or...only one Messiah should be enough to kill all of them... in a go?

or.....it might be referring to 30 different afflictions of the modern world...who knows!!!

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So far...it seems that Dajjal CAN'T be a single PERSON..it's a PERSONALITY...or PERSONALITIES of any AFFLICTION/DISEASE...which needs a DOCTOR'S/MESSIANIC TOUCH....to CURE/TREAT IT..

...looking for some more stuff...
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I'm unable to find a famous hadith of 'Dajjal and the donkey'..
which definitely indicates a huge 'technological revolution' of this time.....people prostrating before SCIENCE .....still searching...

The hadith makes it very clear what a 'BLIND','FALSE GOD' COMPARED TO ALLAH ...should really MEAN....
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