hello Prof. Zeilinger,

I was listening to your discussion with Martin Crump on Radio NZ and would like to ask you if you are familiar with David Bohm's dialogues with Jiddu Krishnamurt ' The Ending of Time'?.

My understanding of what you are saying in regard to the peeling of the onion in the general use of the word 'meditation' is that no one in any traditional religion i.e. Bhuddism has gone beyond what we know currently to be the facts observable in phsics.

In one conversation with Bohm and Krishnamurti they define the word meditation 'to mean beyond the measure' and say that very few if any have done this.

My question is as long as we are making choices to 'meditate on something i.e. the unknown' or to go beyond the limits of quantum mechanics are we not the observer medtating and affecting what we observe? Can science ask a question outside this boundary or is that not possible within a scientific question. We commonly have challenges/ questions within this framework but whether we ask an impossible question as Einstein and good scientist do, and krishnamurti also did regarding Time we do not question our reality.

Krishnamurti would call this the 'impossible made possible'.

If you have not read Krishnamurti please do not dismiss him as some airy fairy mystic. Bohm said that Krishnamurti had gone deeper into the question of what is time/thought and that as long as we are making a choice we make it from thought and that is the reality that creates the observer and the observed. Krishnamurti said "the observer is the observed".

Regards, Averil